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Good post!

These are pretty good

Start saving your aquafaba. Chickpeas are cheap and you can make an amazing variety with it

For sure, I just can’t decide if it makes more or less sense that a high-milk-consumption country would produce more vegans. I would have thought the the incredible popularity of vegetarianism there would maybe discourage that, but idk

The majority of the world’s vegans are in India

Are they? Is that more or less weird given that India has the one of the largest dairy markets by total consumption?

10g of carbs but surprisingly (for a costco product) only 1g added sugar

do they think

typically, no

Nonvegans lecturing vegans about the nuances of veganism really is evergiven

skilled debater or deep thinker

very much the opposite in TAFS

I get really politely pedantic and start asking them how they know this, what the nature of their experimental protocol and controls are, if they made any effort to do blinded testing. If they’re smart they realize how silly their refusal to openmindedly consider their conviction is based on false assumptions is and if not they get big mad and make sillier claims that tend to get progressively easier to deboonk

it doesn’t really smell very strongly

How strong is your nose?

it implies workers are animals

YOU’RE THE ONE IMPOSING A VALUE JUDGEMENT ON THAT TOTALLY ARTIFICIAL DISTINCTION YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE

egetarian based which has a minimal impact on greenhouse emissions

This is demonstrably false,

even if you account for the land use and GHG consequences of each beef and dairy independently

Are you a vegan?

I don’t follow

That’s an orthogonal injustice though, no? Collectively, our species massively overproduce food, so I would think the fact that there is a prior reason to be trying to cultivate land like this, which ought to be managed for native flora/fauna is a separate and solvable large scale land allocation problem, the solution to which frees whatever livestock use the argument excuses.

There’s an element of truth here, in that parts of the world have a system where farm animals eat stuff humans can’t, such as wild grass, kitchen waste and straw

The carbon, nitrogen, etc. contained in that grass, waste, and straw should be buried in/returned to the soil to grow plants instead of being farted into our atmosphere. Assuming the land in question is arable in the first place (which I think is valid if it’s producing enough plant matter for grazing to be viable), if managed at all would produce more calories of human-compatible nutrition per calorie invested than harvesting of grazing animals on said land would.

Yeah you would think carnists (especially farmers) would understand feed conversion ratios, but alas

pesticides and fertilizer!