Yes and my point is that even if the corpo pays, which it absolutely should, that’s not the end of the economic effect when that resource is used to the limit at the moment. We will end up paying too.

The demand for construction workers? If so, it could, if there’s enough unemployment. Otherwise workers from some other industry would have to shift to construction. Creating a shortage in that industry. Switching industries is a more difficult process than getting an unemployed worker to work in construction though. But if there’s already a labour shortage in the construction industry, then that answers the question. There isn’t enough unemployment or shifting from other industries to fill the demand. And there seems to be one.

If there’s underemployment in construction or higher unemployment, then yeah, the construction labour market would likely expand without much effect in housing and infrastructure.

When unemployment is low in the construction sector, we can’t have them pay. When they pay, they’ll outbid us for workers who were previously building homes and public infrastructure. We’d either have to outbid cloud for these workers, or we’d pay by having higher housing prices and crumbling infrastructure, which incurs other social costs. Real resources are finite. The only way for us to not pay is for them to not build the power plants and datacenters. In a truly democratic system we’d be able to say no. In this system, capital outvotes us.

E: I’m not arguing that the corpos shouldn’t pay. They should. I’m arguing the economic effect doesn’t stop with that payment and we’re still fucked.

I think you should read the latest US NatSec strategy that came out two weeks. Also the leaked bits about pushing several countries to leave the EU. The US and RU have a common interest in the EU breaking apart. One of them has much more resources and leverage than the other. For example a lot of the Russian gas was replaced with US gas. And that’s just one point of significant leverage.

Clearly I addressed a specific part. One that has an outsized effect over the German system via its political system. If you can’t see how those other aspects can be tackled inside Germany (and the EU) and why you can’t rely on a conpetitor to stop, I can’t help you. You’re arguing to get an attacker to stop instead of tackling the vulnerabilities. That’s not how security works.

Just in case anyone else is reading this and got confused - Israel and US are also actively running disinformation campaigns in Germany today. So if for some reason Russia stops doing it today, the problem remains as the US and Israel would continue and they don’t have Germany’s best interests in mind.

Also if you’re going to pretend to engage in good faith, it helps not to downvote the person you’re replying to.

E: Downvoting harder with your alt accounts isn’t doing you any favours either.

It’s also the only way to save it from destruction driven by its major shareholders.

Lies

Exactly. This is like a treating one infected wound with topical agent while having sepsis. Uh, if Russia stops spreading fake news on Facebook, what about the US, or China, or Turkey, or Israel. The common variable is Facebook, Meta making money off this activity and the activity being aligned with Meta’s anti-regulation interests. Social media corporations are the systemic issue here. Legislate responsibility for moderation for corporations operating in Germany and this shit is gonna drop off a cliff, by any actor.

The German auto industry is gonna get up in arms at the mention of that, deploy lobbying armies against it.

They are. Watched Krugman on Zeteo today saying there’s basically no competent economists left in the Republican gov’t. Not that Krugman is some amazing cadre but he’s point was it’s only sycophants left.

I don’t think they’d quit though. They’re benefiting too much. They bark but won’t bite I think.

That’s Qatari propaganda.

/s

And any reductions in power consumption would be eliminated by adding more compute capacity.

That’s pretty interesting. No GObject and GPLv3.

I don’t know anarchism in depth but reading through the comments here, this is what strikes me as an obvious vulnerability of the ideology. That and the seeming lack of a mechanism against returnung to capitalist production.

The examples of societies in this thread are inefficient in terms of production. While that’s probably a good thing for quality of life, it tells me they likely wouldn’t be able to produce enough defence goods to stop a capitalist from taking over and throwing them into factories for 12 hours per day. Capitalism being great at producing weapons efficiently.

You can read more about his political record and ideology here.

Irony is dead.

Yup, that’s the point, it’s not about being a fan. Especially in the sea of well-funded right wing content online.

Hasan is doing important work.

That reminds me to donate to Rob Ashton’s campaign. 😄