You’ll find out about it when you grow up.
I’m pretty sure, when I grew up, my aspirations were a bit higher than bragging about being a corporate drone.
When your value comes from the experience on your resume and not the stack of CompTIA certifications that you purchased while attending college, you get job offers that don’t come with a cubicle.
Yeah, people who know how to use Linux
They’re not prisoners, they’re not charged with a crime.
They’re in the US without the legal authority to be in the US. Despite the drumbeat from the right calling them ‘Illegals’, they’re not criminals… they simply are not allowed to be here (due to not having a visa) and so they’re being returned to their country of origin. This is how immigration enforcement has been done for centuries in the US.
The major difference now is that Trump is treating undocumented immigrants as if they’re a national security threat and allocating a large amount of resources to deporting these people. Obviously, this is massively damaging to the US as the lax enforcement over the decades has shifted our workforce so that much of our domestic farming and food production is done by immigrants, often without documentation. His motivations seem to be to play to the racism in his base and the damage that this enforcement action causes to families is reprehensible and disgusting.
But, in the end, this is the same means immigration enforcement that we’ve been using in the US for as long as any of us has been alive. The only difference is the scale and motivation.
The Air Force isn’t doing anything illegal and protecting Airmen from retaliation is well within the mission scope of the Air Force. The OP isn’t basing their arguments on reality. They’re attempting to frame the removing of name and unit patches as something sinister to people who are ignorant of how these things work.
You don’t want to have a bunch of people who’re angry and could potentially be vengeful to have your name and other identifying information. It’s as simple as that.
Ahh yes, they’re only transporting ice agents right … It’s not like there are civilians on the plane who may or may not have been given due process.
Moving the goal posts, yet again.
If ICE is violating due process, that is for the courts to decide and issue sanctions. That hasn’t happened, as of this comment, there is nothing about these flights that are illegal.
ICE requests transport and the military provides it under 10USC2642. That makes the Air Force’s transportation legal which is what the entire post is about.
The problem is that you don’t even consider the cargo humans.
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Ah yes, ad hominem. Nothing says ‘I have run out of arguments’ like name-calling. I’m blocking you now.
Sure, but as a leftist who grew up in a deep red area, I can tell you that those people are, largely, uneducated and ignorant.
It is because of that ignorance that they’re able to believe the lies that led them to acting the way that they did. The people who bear the majority of the responsibility and blame are the ones who know that they’re taking advantage of and cultivating that ignorance.
I get to hear, in real time, the propaganda engine work on these people (which includes most of my family). I see how topics are framed, by media personalities, into palatable actions. As I’m writing this, there’s a podcast playing at my job, where DOGE is being celebrated for finding ‘fraud and abuse’. I know, for a fact, that the listeners don’t have a high school education and have no idea how the government’s payment systems work… but the radio is telling them that DOGE is doing good work.
So, how can they know any better? These are not people who’re ever going to continue their education and their media literacy skills were developed in the 80s. They’re simply not equipped to handle the scale of lying that exists in the modern world.
On the other hand, the person talking, has multiple degrees and has served in the federal government. That person KNOWS they’re lying but continue to do so because it is profitable. I find people like that to be far more culpable. They’re lying for profit (grifting, to use an over used term) and their lies reach millions of voters.
Then you have the people who benefit from the lies. Trump and Elon know that they’re dealing with ignorant people, they know exactly how to use populist rhetoric at public events. While, in private, they’re using the power that they’ve obtained to corruptly enrich themselves and their sycophants.
Direct your ire at the people who’re actively profiting off of lies and corruption. Help to educate the other people around you when they’re being fed lies.
Attacking your neighbor while Elon and Trump ransack the government is not only pointless, it’s completely counter-productive and ensures that we’ll never unify against this kind of power grab.
It’s predictable (3.52 hours in advance, apparently) that the kind of people who enjoy low-effort outrage content (like calling a piece of software transphobic) are the same people who are unable express themselves with words. They rely on downvotes or little drive-by ad hominem quips rather than their ability to contribute anything of substance.
That’s why, in this thread, not one person can answer a simple question such as ‘How is software transphobic’ despite 10 people downvoting the person for asking. They can’t answer because there isn’t an answer, it is a nonsense statement meant to generate outrage.
It’s the exact same level of ignorance that you see from social media users on the right, in their endless quest to ‘own the libs’. It’s ignorant when they do it, and it’s ignorant when people on the other end of the political spectrum do it.
And…? So you have a logical retort, or lack the ability to use google?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
The burden of proof (Latin: onus probandi, shortened from Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat – the burden of proof lies with the one who speaks, not the one who denies) is the obligation on a party in a dispute to provide sufficient warrant for its position.
It is not my responsibility to support your argument by trying to find the source of your quotes. That’s not how the burden of proof works.
Considering that your position is that this is a violation of Posse Comitatus including a quote that says “there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to domestic law enforcement.[1]” seems to contradict your own argument.
The Air Force is under the command of the Commander in Chief and so they are required to comply with lawful orders.
Providing transportation for other federal agencies is a lawful use of military equipment under 10 U.S. Code § 2642(a)(3):
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/2642
(a) Authority.—Subject to subsection (b), the Secretary of Defense may authorize the use of the Department of Defense reimbursement rate for military transportation services provided by a component of the Department of Defense as follows:
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(3) For military transportation services provided to any element of the Federal Government outside the Department of Defense in circumstances other than those specified in paragraphs (1) and (2), but only if the Secretary of Defense determines that the provision of such services will promote the improved use of transportation capacity without any negative effect on the national security objectives or the national security interests contained within the United States commercial transportation industry.
So, as long as the Secretary of Defense approves of the flights, then it is legal for the Air Force to provide military transportation services to any element of the Federal Government outside the Department of Defense. ICE is an element of the Federal Government outside the Department of Defense and so the use of Air Force equipment to provide transportation for ICE is legal under 10 U.S. Code § 2642(a)(3).
Yes, it is.
Supremacy lays with the Constitution.
The Constitution:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;
Befehl ist Befehl isn’t a valid defense.
There doesn’t need to be a valid defense because no crimes are alleged.
The Air Force is operating a flight, chartered by ICE, to transport foreign nationals to their country of origin. The people are in ICE custody, ICE is the law enforcement body who is transporting them for deportation.
The Air Force is no more enforcing domestic law than Delta is when ICE uses them to transport deportees.
I think Trump’s deportation program is massively destructive and likely violates the law in many places. But that doesn’t mean that literally every aspect of it is a crime and everyone involved is acting illegally.
The Air Force isn’t acting illegally by transporting ICE, which is the point of contention here. I mean, do you think that AFJAG is unaware that this is happening?
Don’t confuse getting upvotes from outrage junkies with having rational opinions.
They were captured by ICE. Not the Air Force.
They were determined to be undocumented by ICE. Not the Air Force.
Their deportation was chartered by ICE. Not the Air Force.
The people are in the custody of ICE. Not the Air Force.
The Air Force is providing the flight logistics from a US Base to a foreign country in support of another federal agency.
They’re not deploying infantry into Mexico out of Brownsville, Texas. The Air Force is completely within legal boundaries to fly from the US to a foreign country.
e: You know you don’t have an argument when your only response is to downvote.
You’re quoting things with footnotes but not linking the footnotes.
The Air Force isn’t executing the laws. Saying that it is semantics isn’t an argument that. All legal arguments are based on semantics.
The people in ICE custody were captured by ICE. ICE executed the laws. Once the people were identified as foreign nationals, by ICE, and determined to require deportation, by ICE, then they are transported, by ICE, to their country of origin.
The deportees are in ICE custody (see the ICE agents in the OP) until they’re in their country of origin where they are released, by ICE.
The Air Force simply operates the aircraft and provides all of the required logistics to do so.
This is no different than ICE using Delta to return people to their country. It would be silly to say that Delta has become a law enforcement organization because ICE purchased tickets to transport people to their country of origin.
You’re moving the goal posts. The Air Force isn’t enforcing domestic policy. They’re operating an aircraft to provide logistics for other federal agencies.
The other agencies are enforcing domestic policy, not the Air Force. The people are not in the custody of the Air Force and they were not captured by the Air Force. ICE is simply using the Air Force equipment as transport and Air Force personnel operate and secure that equipment.
My point is, they don’t need to spread this nonsense to the rest of the world.
It isn’t spread to the rest of the world. I’m in Spain and my Google Maps says Gulf of Mexico.
If you’re seeing Gulf of America then you’re either in the US or Google thinks that you’re in the US.
Google customizes their service based on the local country’s laws, this isn’t a global change… just a US change.
Hot take:
The problem isn’t the other middle class people who’ve been convinced to wear a different color hat.
The problem is the oligarchs who’ve been plotting to take over and destroy the power of the people by dismantling the government. The people who are actively doing that exact thing while the ignorant masses engage in tribalism and attacking people for voting.
Engaging on this topic is just furthering the distraction tactics. The people who’re actively working to destroy the government or implementing policies targeting minority populations are not your neighbors or anybody that you will run into on social media.
Google complying with local laws isn’t anything new. They’ve been complying with China’s social media and search filtering for decades now, this isn’t new behavior for them.
This is a nonsense distraction. Arguing that ‘people can get worked up by more than one thing’ doesn’t fit with the current media strategy of ‘flooding the zone’. People only have so much attention to give and by creating all of these pointless distraction, the people in charge keep people from being able to agree for focus on key issues.
Sure, but there’s a large difference between questioning someone’s credibility and approving of them being sexually assaulted.
That is to say there’s a large moral difference between “she has a history of making up claims for attention, so I don’t believe her” and “she wishes harm on others, so I hope she gets sexually assaulted”.
I mean, just on the face of it, it is hypocritical to wish harm on someone because they wish harm on someone. Is wishing harm on someone wrong, or is it not?
Unfortunately, people seem to have no grasp of nuance and just react with the most outrageous takes. In my mind I just assume that these commenters are literally children, who’re simply copying bad behaviors and not actual functioning adults with the ability to self-reflect. But, that’s more for my own sanity.
Because people are still Reddit-brained, have no capacity for nuance and thrive on outrage like an addict.
For the addicts with their finger smashing the downvote button:
Elon Musk is an idiot. But that doesn’t mean that a Tesla Model S is an idiot.
A Hyprland developer could be transphobic, members who comment in the community could be transphobic but that doesn’t make the software transphobic.
Software doesn’t have political opinions.
If you want to not be hypocritical and examine all products with the same ridiculous level of scrutiny then you’re probably using electronic components in your house, car, smartphone and PC that were sourced using slave labor, child labor or built by countries that engage in human rights abuse.
The electricity used to allow you to uncritically attack people online was generated by means which contribute to climate change which will kill or displace hundreds of millions of people.
The language you’re using is primarily used by cultures who have historically engaged in colonialism, piracy, slavery, religious oppression, ethnic cleansing and wars of aggression.
So, unless you’re willing to sit in a forest and never communicate with another person, you’re going to be using technology which, if you pedantically dig deep enough, you can find some “problematic” behaviors associated with.
Or, you could not act ignorant in online spaces. That’s also an option.
Cut your eggs in half.
It’s financial advice for cooking at home.
No, they executed Nazis for operating death camps.
They did not execute for “just following orders”, aka Nuremberg Defense.
As it turns out, soldiers in all militaries follow orders every day without being executed.
Unless you’re going to explain how removing a unit patch and name tag, or transporting people to their country of origin is worthy of execution, I’m not sure that you have an argument.
Out of all the branches it doesn’t surprise me at all that the Air Force is the branch falling over itself to follow trump’s orders.
I’m not sure how you can imply that you’re familiar with how the military operates and then say something as ignorant as this.
All branches of the military “fall over themselves” to follow the orders of the President. That’s literally how the chain of command works.
Be upset at Trump for assigning shit missions, but it’s incredibly ignorant to attack any specific branch of the military for following lawful orders.
What do you picture the alternative to be? That some Airman should get himself court marshalled for refusing the order to remove his name and unit patch?
Could you explain how transporting people to their country of origin is an illegal order?
Or, maybe explain how you would handle the order as an enlisted soldier?
Stop, you’re hurting my feelings.