See this is the kind of thing that makes zero actual sense but his supporters pretend to believe he can accomplish it or worse they actually believe him.

I’ll promise anything you want as long as you vote for me!

You’re right looking at this situation like it about settlers and natives is totally silly.

Don’t cherry pick now. Go farther back.

The original homeland of the Jewish people is the region historically known as the Land of Israel, also referred to as Canaan, and later as Palestine. This area is located in the modern-day state of Israel, as well as parts of the Palestinian territories (the West Bank and Gaza Strip), and parts of neighboring countries such as Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. Historically significant cities in this region include Jerusalem, Hebron, and Bethlehem.

If you actually think this is a settler vs native thing you are cherry picking your history lessons.

They have to hide behind school children don’t you understand there isn’t anywhere else to stand!

Totally agree. Hamas sucks.

Well all those people definitely weren’t just civilians. Why would civilians be holding hostages? That means those people were combats. That’s a good thing then.

Wasn’t there already a permanent ceasefire that Hamas broke?

It’s ok to hate on religious views when they are stupid.

High civilian casualties means genocide. Duh. Hamas wants high civilian casualties. So that way they can make people call this a genocide. That gets people on their side. Hamas literally committed genocidal acts but the number of deaths was much less so people don’t care as much. Hamas was literally targeting Jewish people in general. Israel is targeting Hamas members not Palestinians. Unfortunately Hamas took the last 17 years building tunnels underneath civilians. So there are a lot of unfortunate civilian casualties trying to get to Hamas and its leaders. Israel should do better but I’m afraid it’s very difficult with the logistics of this fight. It’s a terrible situation all the way around.

Does anyone have a higher res version ?

It feels way worse. Definitely agree.

I thought Id get away from the group think when I left reddit. It’s probably worse here.

I have responded and continue to do so.

I’m invested in it because it’s sympathizing with Hamas which is an actual genocidal cult but their own words. If you ask Hamas why it’s fighting they will tell you it’s to kill all Jews. Look at Hamas and what they stand for what they say they are going to do. Look it up as I guarantee you haven’t and don’t know.

What am I to say about the shooting of their own hostages. I can assume it was an accident and war is crazy. But I don’t know for sure and neither do you.

Hamas broke the current cease fire that had already been in place on Oct 7th. Why would Israel agree to another cease fire from the people who broke the one they already had. Do you want Hamas to kill even more innocent? Because they have already said they will if given the chance.

I’m not lying about anything. Prove to me I’m lying. I’m engaging that " fact" right now. You can’t just like I can’t prove the fighting would stop if they gave up the hostages. Just because you denied reality or refuse to look at both sides does mean I’m lying. Neither side is without blame but one is way more brutal and genocidal in their intentions even if they both aren’t equal in their capabilities. In my view you are being irrational by not paying attention to both sides or acknowledging what Hamas did or said they intend to do.

Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

I learned about how Hamas using civilian positions from John Spencer. John Spencer is an award-winning scholar, professor, author, and combat veteran. He currently serves as the Chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute at West Point, Co-Director of the Urban Warfare Project, and host of the Urban Warfare Project podcast. He is also a founding member of the International Working Group on Subterranean Warfare. John served 25 years in the U.S. Army, having held ranks from Private to Sergeant First Class and Second Lieutenant to Major. He was an active duty Army officer during two combat tours in Iraq.

The current conflict started because of Oct 7th.

Do you know why that is the case? Because Hamas is setting up positions in civilian areas in hospitals in people’s homes. They have hundreds of miles of tunnels underneath civilian populations. They are using this as a tactic. I’ve said this before but Hamas has said they want civilian casualties. Are you going to respond to my other question? Should they just not respond to Oct 7th? Burning babies in their cribs taking girls cell phones they had just murdered recording the scenes and sending the videos to whoever the mom was in their contact list. Like each side has done some horrible things here. It’s not as clear cut as everyone here is making it out to be.

… I am at a loss for words. If only we lived in a world where either side would let that happen. But if in a different universe that was possible then I agree with you. I wish it was.

How can you fight a war and not have civilian casualties? Do you know how to do that? Are you saying Hamas should just get away with Oct 7th? What should be done? Don’t pretend I’m defending civilian casualties I am absolutely not.