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    I already said that. They took Ukrainian grain and shipped it to Moscow.

    You said

    And the Holdomor was a famine not caused by Stalin.

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        And the Soviets continued exporting grain from the Soviet Union itself, not just Ukraine, during the famine. Enough to feed millions of people. This was a choice made by Stalin.

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            Yeah, that’s probably true, unless one wishes to subject a certain percentage of the deaths in WW2 to Stalin’s decisionmaking. That would, by my count, be unfair, even though Stalin’s shares some responsibility for splitting Poland with genocidaires, letting the Nazis sucker-punch the USSR, and then a series of questionable decisions in defense of the Soviet Union. Ultimately, Hitler is the one at primary fault for the those deaths.

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              unless one wishes to subject a certain percentage of the deaths in WW2 to Stalin’s decisionmaking

              …Which would not be entirely unreasonable. But if we’re going to do that, then we would have to do the same with Hitler and German casualties, and then you could argue that Hitler caused all of the German casualties by invading Poland.

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                Well, yes, but the meme only measures number of Slavs killed, and Germans aren’t Slavic.

                If we’re counting overall deaths, it’s not even close. Hitler ‘wins’.