The protestors want an end to the US facilitating genocide. Most Democrats want fewer, if any, aid to Israel, yet Democrat leadership refuses to budge.
You blame voters for “being willing to let Trump win”. Why not blame leadership for hurting their own chances at election by going against their own base?
I do blame the leaders, all of them who’ve been complacent in getting meaningful legislation passed to fix the structural issues in our democracy, but now is not the time to risk a fascist getting in to power when there is a very real risk that he will provide more aid to Isreal, possible send our own troops to fight for netanyahu, or worse.
The counter-argument to your point is that now is the best time, as voters have the leverage to elect democrats or not. In theory, Dem leadership wants to be elected and requires votes to achieve that goal. Biden met with progressive activists shortly after taking office and promptly told them to fuck off as, since he was already president, they no longer had anything to offer him.
That said, I hear your point and am torn about how I will ultimately vote. I don’t live in one of the nine (arguably three) magic states where my vote will actually count, though, so it’s a bit of a moot point.
What? Yes, lots of people are protesting and have been for over a year. I don’t know precisely how many of them personally call their reps, I know I have been, but I think the massive, widespread protests combined with polling Democrat voters about their views on the matter makes the message pretty clear. Politicians have had plenty of time to respond.
Yeah, see, I think they have polled Democrats and have probably found it’s not a winning strategy, whether by number of possible voters gained vs lost, or ranked importance of the issues.
I think they recognize the backlash of losing the democratic Jewish vote is larger than the gain of standing on principle on a difficult diplomatic situation that the public doesn’t have the attention span to follow. Undecided voters are typically low-info voters, so a dissertation on the Middle East situation is a no-go.
Don’t get me wrong, I think what Israel is doing is genocide and we shouldn’t support it, but I also understand if voters in America care more about not getting evicted, going bankrupt, bodily autonomy, or food security more so than a conflict half way around the world.
Also this is on-line with our stance in WW2 prior to Pearl Harbor - we didn’t want to fight an active war despite knowing about the genocide occurring.
The protestors want an end to the US facilitating genocide. Most Democrats want fewer, if any, aid to Israel, yet Democrat leadership refuses to budge.
You blame voters for “being willing to let Trump win”. Why not blame leadership for hurting their own chances at election by going against their own base?
I do blame the leaders, all of them who’ve been complacent in getting meaningful legislation passed to fix the structural issues in our democracy, but now is not the time to risk a fascist getting in to power when there is a very real risk that he will provide more aid to Isreal, possible send our own troops to fight for netanyahu, or worse.
The counter-argument to your point is that now is the best time, as voters have the leverage to elect democrats or not. In theory, Dem leadership wants to be elected and requires votes to achieve that goal. Biden met with progressive activists shortly after taking office and promptly told them to fuck off as, since he was already president, they no longer had anything to offer him.
That said, I hear your point and am torn about how I will ultimately vote. I don’t live in one of the nine (arguably three) magic states where my vote will actually count, though, so it’s a bit of a moot point.
I disagree. Your voice is your vote, no? So you’re going to speak on Nov 5th without giving anyone a chance to respond, thus letting Trump be elected?
If not Nov 5th with your vote, then surely all of these antiwar types are protesting in the street and pinging their reps about it?
What? Yes, lots of people are protesting and have been for over a year. I don’t know precisely how many of them personally call their reps, I know I have been, but I think the massive, widespread protests combined with polling Democrat voters about their views on the matter makes the message pretty clear. Politicians have had plenty of time to respond.
Yeah, see, I think they have polled Democrats and have probably found it’s not a winning strategy, whether by number of possible voters gained vs lost, or ranked importance of the issues.
I think they recognize the backlash of losing the democratic Jewish vote is larger than the gain of standing on principle on a difficult diplomatic situation that the public doesn’t have the attention span to follow. Undecided voters are typically low-info voters, so a dissertation on the Middle East situation is a no-go.
Don’t get me wrong, I think what Israel is doing is genocide and we shouldn’t support it, but I also understand if voters in America care more about not getting evicted, going bankrupt, bodily autonomy, or food security more so than a conflict half way around the world.
Also this is on-line with our stance in WW2 prior to Pearl Harbor - we didn’t want to fight an active war despite knowing about the genocide occurring.