Family members of Uvalde school shooting victims also said they're filing lawsuits against dozens of Texas Department of Public Safety officers and Uvalde's school district.
Some of the parents whose children were being slaughtered were willing to try while police stood around scrolling Facebook on their phone, but police arrested them for it.
Do you not understand that the bullets tear through walls? Running in there with no plan to piss off someone with a gun that tears through walls while there are a bunch of kids behind those walls is stupid. It puts kids in extra danger. How is this a difficult to grasp concept?
You know what else puts kids in extra danger? Standing around for hours doing nothing while the shooter continues to slaughter them. Not only that, but they went in the school and shouted for kids to call out to be rescued, except they didn’t rescue them and the kids who did call out were then shot. Your take is absolutely insane and indefensible. These people are specifically trained and paid to deal with these types of situations not stand around scrolling on their phones while children are being murdered just feet away.
Your poor reading comprehension has completely prevented you from being able to understand what I’ve said. I never said the police made the right choice. I never said cops are generally good. In fact, I’ve repeatedly explicitly said the opposite. OP brought up some interesting points about what they see as the main cause of the catastrophe, and I said they are interesting points that should be considered. As soon as you and other people who are unable to see past the emotions, ego, and the perceived hive mind saw that we were saying something other than “this was definetly 100% preventable, but all the cops in that town are cowards” you flip off your brain and go into mindless attack mode. It is OK to consider things. You don’t need to fly off the handle and instantly resort to petty name calling whenever anyone disagrees with your your initial, unthought-out hunch. The biggest takeaway from this is that, and if you can realize it, then it will absolutely help you when interacting with people in your life.
This is a giant strawman. What names have I called you? You’re the one doing mental gymnastics to defend the lack of action from these people who are paid and trained to handle situations like this.
You claim you “never said the police made the right call” yet you’re sitting here claiming every one of their actions were correct “because AR15 shoot far.” Absolutely absurd.
Go back and reread, you’ve massively misunderstood. The whole discussion is about how this could be prevented if AR15s were not so easy to get, and yet people are focused on the cops.
Specifically AR15 and how this particular gun tears through walls.
The penetrative effects of a bullet traveling at 300% the speed of regular pistol rounds is far deadlier and damaging than just a pistol. And you have all these dumbasses who are like “Yeah but pistols are still deadly”.
Remember that energy is velocity squared. We’re talking about like 900% of the energy per shot. The amount of firepower we’re just casually accepting as “normal” in the USA is ridiculous, and is the real tragedy of the Uvalde situation. And everyone who is using this moment to blame the cop when they should 100% be blaming the gun-culture of AR15 is part of the problem.
We already have examples of what happens when gunowners take matters into their own hands. And that person’s name is Kyle Rittenhouse. I have very little respect for that mindset.
You make really good points. I hadn’t thought about this situation in this light until you brought it up. It is very alarming how difficult it is for people to understand that situations can be nuanced. It’s like they just want everything to be black and white and simple, and they just want to be completely on the side of whatever they detect the majority is thinking. In this case, it really makes a difference as to what policies should be focused on.
I don’t even understand what people think. Do you seriously think that thr cops there were in on it like a big conspiracy? Do you think the cops knew that the soccer moms could take out the mad man with armor destroying bullets, and they just wanted to save the madman from them?? Just think about it like a strategic video game, what do you genuinely think is the best way to deal with such a situation?
Look, I get it, cops generally suck. So many of them do. This isn’t about that. Think about this situation objectively as a little mental exercise. The world is not so black and white all the time.
And then you get shot. Worst case scenario, you don’t die, but instead scream out in agony in the crossfire, getting 3 or 4 other guys in trouble as they come in to drag your ass away from the firing zone.
Firefights suck. And shitty people thinking they’d be heroes in this situation only make it worse for everyone.
OK, so explain. What would you do? “Something” isnt a plan, talk strategy. You have a gun that can shoot 1 bullet per second, can’t go through the armor that the enemy is wearing, and you can hold about 8 bullets in your gun. The enemy has a gun that goes through your armor and the walls like they are butter, shoots 10 bullets per second, and holds 4x as many bullets as you do. There are kids all around, the walls may slow down your bullets, but not the enemies. Do you wait for bigger guns or do you go in there with terrible chances and high probability of getting even more kids killed?
I generally don’t like cops, but if they charged in there on a suicide mission and got even more kids killed, then people would just be complaining about how stupid and shortsighted they were.
Would you rush in to suicide yourself if you knew that it wouldn’t help anything?
Some of the parents whose children were being slaughtered were willing to try while police stood around scrolling Facebook on their phone, but police arrested them for it.
Do you not understand that the bullets tear through walls? Running in there with no plan to piss off someone with a gun that tears through walls while there are a bunch of kids behind those walls is stupid. It puts kids in extra danger. How is this a difficult to grasp concept?
You know what else puts kids in extra danger? Standing around for hours doing nothing while the shooter continues to slaughter them. Not only that, but they went in the school and shouted for kids to call out to be rescued, except they didn’t rescue them and the kids who did call out were then shot. Your take is absolutely insane and indefensible. These people are specifically trained and paid to deal with these types of situations not stand around scrolling on their phones while children are being murdered just feet away.
Your poor reading comprehension has completely prevented you from being able to understand what I’ve said. I never said the police made the right choice. I never said cops are generally good. In fact, I’ve repeatedly explicitly said the opposite. OP brought up some interesting points about what they see as the main cause of the catastrophe, and I said they are interesting points that should be considered. As soon as you and other people who are unable to see past the emotions, ego, and the perceived hive mind saw that we were saying something other than “this was definetly 100% preventable, but all the cops in that town are cowards” you flip off your brain and go into mindless attack mode. It is OK to consider things. You don’t need to fly off the handle and instantly resort to petty name calling whenever anyone disagrees with your your initial, unthought-out hunch. The biggest takeaway from this is that, and if you can realize it, then it will absolutely help you when interacting with people in your life.
This is a giant strawman. What names have I called you? You’re the one doing mental gymnastics to defend the lack of action from these people who are paid and trained to handle situations like this.
You claim you “never said the police made the right call” yet you’re sitting here claiming every one of their actions were correct “because AR15 shoot far.” Absolutely absurd.
Go back and reread, you’ve massively misunderstood. The whole discussion is about how this could be prevented if AR15s were not so easy to get, and yet people are focused on the cops.
Specifically AR15 and how this particular gun tears through walls.
The penetrative effects of a bullet traveling at 300% the speed of regular pistol rounds is far deadlier and damaging than just a pistol. And you have all these dumbasses who are like “Yeah but pistols are still deadly”.
Remember that energy is velocity squared. We’re talking about like 900% of the energy per shot. The amount of firepower we’re just casually accepting as “normal” in the USA is ridiculous, and is the real tragedy of the Uvalde situation. And everyone who is using this moment to blame the cop when they should 100% be blaming the gun-culture of AR15 is part of the problem.
We already have examples of what happens when gunowners take matters into their own hands. And that person’s name is Kyle Rittenhouse. I have very little respect for that mindset.
You make really good points. I hadn’t thought about this situation in this light until you brought it up. It is very alarming how difficult it is for people to understand that situations can be nuanced. It’s like they just want everything to be black and white and simple, and they just want to be completely on the side of whatever they detect the majority is thinking. In this case, it really makes a difference as to what policies should be focused on.
I don’t even understand what people think. Do you seriously think that thr cops there were in on it like a big conspiracy? Do you think the cops knew that the soccer moms could take out the mad man with armor destroying bullets, and they just wanted to save the madman from them?? Just think about it like a strategic video game, what do you genuinely think is the best way to deal with such a situation?
Look, I get it, cops generally suck. So many of them do. This isn’t about that. Think about this situation objectively as a little mental exercise. The world is not so black and white all the time.
Yes.
I would do something, not sit around worrying about my own arse while children are being killed.
And then you get shot. Worst case scenario, you don’t die, but instead scream out in agony in the crossfire, getting 3 or 4 other guys in trouble as they come in to drag your ass away from the firing zone.
Firefights suck. And shitty people thinking they’d be heroes in this situation only make it worse for everyone.
OK, so explain. What would you do? “Something” isnt a plan, talk strategy. You have a gun that can shoot 1 bullet per second, can’t go through the armor that the enemy is wearing, and you can hold about 8 bullets in your gun. The enemy has a gun that goes through your armor and the walls like they are butter, shoots 10 bullets per second, and holds 4x as many bullets as you do. There are kids all around, the walls may slow down your bullets, but not the enemies. Do you wait for bigger guns or do you go in there with terrible chances and high probability of getting even more kids killed?
I generally don’t like cops, but if they charged in there on a suicide mission and got even more kids killed, then people would just be complaining about how stupid and shortsighted they were.