• TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca
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        14 days ago

        Ideally as much oil would remain in the ground as possible going forward, I’d agree.

        Until that ideal world shows up I’d rather it be us doing the extraction in a country with labour laws and environmental regulations

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          That sounds like a very reasonable argument but I fear everyone has such an excuse. The other sides have their own arguments. The poor will find it more just that they can get the corresponding funds. The richer without labour laws do not value them and will likely not care about the consequences but will findbthemselves worthy of the corresponding funds.

          Net result: everyone keeps pumping oil, the price is low, renewables are less attractive.

          The solution is to “just stop oil” regardless of the merits it has so it becomes increasingly attractive to find alternatives even in tougher sectors.

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              13 days ago

              Yes. Thank you for repeating that. It’s an imoortant message.

              For many sectors that is sufficient, for some more research is needed. For example: it was (and is) a challenge for transport and that has already improved. Any switch has a risk factor. As the price of fossil fuels goes up and the risk of future availability/price increases, businesses will seek greener electricity based solutions over fossil fuel based solutions. So let’s send the message that fossil fuels are on the way out.

              There may be a lot of money to lobby for fossil fuels, but there’s a lot of merits in choosing green energy so let’s keep doing that.

        • SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca
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          13 days ago

          environmental regulations

          LOL. Good one. Those toxic “ponds” at Fort Mac are lakes of VOCs. We ruin water and burn gas on every barrel of oil extracted,

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            13 days ago

            Fort Mac is surrounded for 500km in every direction by trees, and the fact that tailings ponds exist instead of the tailings simply being dumped directly into the Athabasca is as a direct result of the functioning of environmental regs. Ya dildo

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        14 days ago

        Unfortunately, countries need to export to game economic numbers.

        The solution to to oil extraction is curb demand.

  • Hanrahan@slrpnk.net
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    13 days ago

    wish we’d stop calling hydro Green :( Vast CH4 emissions from the dam often put them with comparable or occasionally more emissions the coal, let alone the incredible environmental destruction weight with the construction.

    Small amounts of renewables and energy penury are the only solutions which is also why we won’t solve this.