I feel like talking about Stalin is like walking on eggshells… You don’t want to go, “Stalin’s death toll is overexaggerated, in my opinion he didn’t kill enough people!!!” because that will make the average person instantly stop hearing you
What’s the best way to talk about Stalin in a sensitive way that doesn’t trigger a fight or flight response?


I’m not going to have time so I’m just going to write this quickly. (Most, if not all, of this will not be new to you. And this is for real life rather than online.)
So it goes something like this…
Understand that charm happens when a person feel they are valued
We are going to take the genuine position that people are generally intelligent enough, and they intelligently seek narratives that they perceive is beneficial to them (from a marxist perspective, benefits their material conditions pertaining to their class). We will be appealing to their valued intelligence
Understand we may not “convince them” but that is not the purpose here, it is about establishing acceptable boundaries of discourse using prinicples they have agreed to ie a sort of immanent critique
Number 3, however, is not about “winning them over through establishing their hypocrisy”
Think of 3 like this: we may talk one way to parents, another way to your boss, another way to coworkers, another way to friends etc. It’s not hypocritical to do so. They are different “languages” we use for effective daily communication. We are establishing the acceptable anti-imperialist “language” with yourself.
Understand you are going to transgress and that you’re not going to do it by “sneaking” it in; remember number 2 - they are intelligent
So working with the fact they already consider “the genocide is real” and that the US goes to war for oil, we can then with them establish:
The above is the outline. Arm yourself if not done already - someone’s already mentioned this - reading both books by Losurdo: on Stalin, and on Liberalism.
You have now set the tone of what is acceptable discourse around you and remember a key rule: positive achievements beats explaining the negative of atrocity propaganda. Everytime you feel you have to explain the latter hit them with a good outcome (eg holodomor - it’s not good enough simply to say it’s Nazi propaganda, it is much more important to say it was the last famine + socialist countries had more calories per person cosumed that capitalist countries with similar stage of development + took wealth from rich farmers and gave it to the poor)
All the while you are doing this you are appealing to their intelligence of seeing through current propaganda and appeal to the collectiveness that many people are in the same boat as them which led them to the pro-stalin conclusions. Stop short just shy of sycophancy; it is charm not subservience we are aiming for.
Hope that helps.
It helps a lot. I’m kind of dealing with a lot and having all this organized in short form with bullet points, rather than trying to find the time and peace and quiet to do that is a huge boon to me, and I suspect others (I haven’t read through the rest of the thread yet, I’m about to have to hop offline, but wanted to take the time to respond. Here, I’ll add you took a huge amount of time organizing these thoughts and typing them out, so the least I can do is take time to respond, read, study, and employ these ideas, if not all at once in a conversation, in bits and pieces, so as not to overwhelm any audience given).
Thank you for the time, effort, and general generosity and good will. I’m grateful.
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