• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlOP
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    1 month ago

    How so? Lenin carried Marxism to the era of imperialism, and Marxism-Leninism has managed to establish socialism around the world multiple times. Calling those who follow in Lenin’s footsteps “traitors” for successfully liberating the working classes is really confusing to me.

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      Who did they liberate, and no they never established worker control. They create weak people and they prey on weak people. The only ones with the opportunity for a clear head are in the party, the rest are puppeted by their comrades to the march of childish party members.

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        They liberated the working classes, and established an economy that was overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned for the benefit of the working classes. This was led by a party that constituted the most energetic and politically advanced of the working classes, which regularly shed its members and replenished with those nominated by the wider working classes.

        Your view of workers and peasants as stupid, weak, and incapable of self-governance is deeply aristocratic and disdainful towards the working classes. If such a view were correct, then socialism itself would be impossible.

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          1 month ago

          You took a criticism against leninism and just made it against anti-leninists, without any evidence, the leninists never need evidence when they have perverted violence and police states to accompany their twisted tongue

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              Oh I’m un-banned for arguing against monarchist counter revolutionaries great, the working classes are not by definition the individuals brought under the whip of a vanguard, your monarchism makes them submissive if you succeed because it would be you that would whip it out of them, just like any animal, I am the same, and you are too.

              And if you say they are capable of resisting your domination because they are strong, well I sure hope so, but the achieval of a desirable state of affairs would then be more viable if individuals did not adhere to blanquism.

              Drop the whip

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                Creating a worker-run democratic system is not “monarchism” because the working class party is disciplined. Phrasemongering and levying absurdist claims like “Lenin was a monarchist” isn’t a coherent point.