Fuck Israel for refusing to stop slaughtering Palestinian civilians and forcing this escalation.
And especially fuck the US for claiming for a year now to be working tirelessly towards a ceasefire, yet sending 10s of billions of money and bombs to Israel as a reward for the continued slaughter.
Disgusting land grabbers.
Iran’s IRGC say attack on Israel response to killing of Nasrallah
Iran’s Fars news agency is reporting that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said the missile attack under way on Israel is in response to the killing of Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah last week as well as that of the Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh earlier this year.
“In response to the martyrdom of Ismail Haniyeh, Hassan Nasrallah and (IRGC Guards commander) Nilforoshan, we targeted the heart of the occupied territories,” the IRGC said in a statement.
So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.
So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.
i.e. “Please don’t escalate this any further. We prefer this level of escalation and no more.”
Yeah, that’s been Iran’s position for a while. They don’t strike first, but they’ll return fire.
They do arm plenty of proxy groups, though.
… Yeah. Iran “doesn’t strike first”. They just back terrorist groups with funding, supplies, and planning so that they can strike instead.
Please do yourself a favor and actually educate yourself on the clusterfuck that is the middle east rather than just parroting whatever a twitch streamer tells you. This has been going in cycles for decades.
*centuries
Well. The current conflict with Israel only really goes back about 80-ish years. And there are strong arguments that the current iranian proxy wars are a different conflict with different root causes but… yeah.
The region itself? Most of that goes back to when The West decided to redraw borders with no real logic other than guaranteeing cyclic wars of ethnic cleansing between warlord. I want to say that is more 150-ish years, but I genuinely forget. So it very well could be centuries in that regard.
But the way to think of it? The former is why EVERYONE hates Israel. The latter is why nobody is actually interested in helping the Palestinians and just view them as a way to bleed IDF resources and give the government rope to hang themselves with.
There is a significant difference between proxies and a direct missile attack launched by a nation-state. Just as there is a significant difference between the US arming a genocidal state, and the US actually dropping bombs directly on civilians. Not to say Iran and the US are not blameless for the actions of their proxies, but there are degrees here that are significant. You kneejerk “Iran bad, Israel good” view of the world is devoid of nuance. Maybe you should get yourself a twitch stream.
Where did I ever say
“Iran bad, Israel good”
But hey, much easier to attack a strawman, right?
Believe it or not, but you don’t have to explicitly state something for you to be doing something. It’s extremely obvious that you approached this news with that bias.
A bias of… state sponsored terrorism bad and escalation bad? Or is the problem that I have cared about the dead civilians in the region for more than a year?
REALLY curious what you “sense” from that sentence.
The Washington Post is reporting, citing three anonymous Pentagon officials, that American troops in the Middle East were not targeted during the Iranian missile attack in Israel.
Iraqi group linked to Iran have previously fired rockets at military bases housing US soldiers in Iraq and Syria.
Another sign that Iran is trying to respond, as a deterrent, rather than with an intent to escalate. At least that’s what it seems like so far.
Israeli military spokesperson Daniel Hagari just held a televised address.
In it, he said the Israeli military is “fully prepared to defend and retaliate” to the Iranian attack, stressing that it would be in a “timely manner”.
Hmm…
So seems like Iran intends this to be a one and done response for everything Israel has done the last few months.
I think it’s highly unlikely that Israel will agree on that one. This may escalate and quickly.
BBC says Iran has launched a smaller number of missiles than they did in April.
181 missiles were launched this time
How many last time?
https://apnews.com/article/strait-of-hormuz-vessel-33fcffde2d867380e98c89403776a8ac
Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari said Iran fired 170 drones, more than 30 cruise missiles and more than 120 ballistic missiles.
In Reuters they reported the following:
Pentagon spokesperson Major General Patrick Ryder:
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Iran’s attack was about twice the scope of Tehran’s attack on Israel on April 14Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said they used hypersonic ‘Fattah’ missiles ‘for the first time’ in attack on Israel, Iranian state TV reports
The BBC has some video. Looks like some missiles are being intercepted, some hitting.
BBC: “celebratory gunfire” in Beiruit.
What a fucked up part of the world.
Edit: the celebratory part isn’t fucked up. The doing it by shooting guns in the air is.
I mean I get where you’re coming from but you can’t honestly expect the people of Lebanon to be sympathetic to the Israeli’s given the events of the past 2 weeks.
It’s not the celebration. It’s the celebratory gunfire.
By all means, celebrate. Maybe don’t do it in a way that can hurt other people.
Oh. Yeah, I agree with you. My bad, misinterpreted your comment.
Sorry. Edited to clarify.
Parts of the US are no better.
https://apnews.com/article/grandson-shot-wedding-nebraska-texas-d615b0e20718c07fb9820d2dc1d05d12
If you want me to claim that the U.S. is not also a fucked-up part of the world, you have come to the wrong person.
Hezbollah have had this coming, they fired rockets at Israel on October 8th. So not because of what Israel was doing to the Palestinians, but in support of what Hamas did on October 7th.
The moment the first news dropped on October 7 it was clear Israel was to retaliate with a bloodbath and they started bombing Gaza the same evening. If Hezbollahs goal at the time was to make use of the situation, they would have went for an all out attack while IDF was in disarray.
The goal was to increase the pressure on Israel for reaching a cease-fire agreement through keeping their northern settlers out of their settlements, rendering the region economically inactive and the settlers angry at their government.
It seems like no one anticipated this to go into a yearlong war. Initially Hamas seemed to have aimed to reach a ceasefire quickly through a hostage exchange deal, but Israel put genocide over having their hostages return alive.
There’s been no evidence of genocide. I have plenty of criticisms of the Israeli government, and if you were arguing it’s indiscriminate you’d have a point. But genocide? No. We don’t call Hiroshima a genocide and that was far worse than what’s happening in Gaza. We don’t call Dresden a genocide. We don’t call shock and awe in Iraq a genocide.
Words have meaning.
As long as Israel is occupying land, they are in constant state of war
You understand October 7 was hamas response to Israeli settlers continually invading and stealing Gaza land, right?
This did not “begin” October 7th.
Israeli settler terrorists are just as bad as hezbollah.If your response to a disagreement about olive groves in the west Bank is to rape and murder 1200 innocent people I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you probably shouldn’t get the olives
You literally just reduced people’s entire lives and livelihoods to “olive groves” to justify everything they’ve been going through for decades. No matter which way you put it, that was an incredibly shitty thing to say. Not to mention just plain wrong and evil.
Literally nothing that has happened in the west Bank justifies what happened on 10/7. That was just sheer face to face animalism from hamas
I can’t bring myself to mourn for people like Nasrallah. That said things are undeniably going to get a lot worse for everybody before they get better.
I don’t see any indication of a reasonable end goal from Israel. They’ve remained uncommitted on an exit strategy from Gaza and opening a front in Lebanon rather then helping the security situation is as likely to get them bogged down in a quagmire. From what I can gather anyway they’re just going balls the wall trying to eliminate as many of Iran’s proxies as they can before they bow to international pressure like they historically have whenever things “escalate” too much
Wars have to end. If you go into them without an exit strategy they will backfire. Right now Israel’s government seems more concerned with keeping Bibi out of jail then it does with crafting any sort of humane way out of this mess.
Hezbollah has stated that they fired those rockets in solidarity with the Palestinian people.
Cool. That’s an incredibly dumb reason to start a war with a country like Israel. There’s a reason Egypt and Jordan don’t do that anymore.
I don’t think standing up for human rights violations is a dumb thing to do. And Israel started this war. They didn’t have to slaughter innocent civilians indiscriminately, but Israel did. They didn’t have to assassinate key figures, perform acts of terror like blowing up pagers, or attack civilian areas in Lebanon. But Israel did do all that. They started this war, and they’re just crying victim because people are actually calling them out on their bs and fighting back.
Groups like Hezbollah don’t believe in human rights. They do not care if innocent people die. Their problem with Israel is not that it’s oppressive, they love oppressive regimes (Iran, Russia). Hezbollah engages in assassinations in Lebanon and abroad frequently. I can go on but my point is you don’t know who these people are or what they believe.
Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah believe in a borderless global theocracy. They believe in a world of public executions and state sponsored brutality against anybody who argues. They are authoritarians, human rights are western philosophical nonsense to them. Unislamic alien beliefs. They simply do not believe in equality or the sanctity of life.
Their problem with Israel is solely that Israel is Jewish.
How bad is this? Like WWIII bad or localized slaughter and ‘limited’ actions bad?
I don’t see how the Middle East war could escalate into a worldwide conflict. Ukraine, maybe. The Middle East conflict spiralling out of that territory? Nah.
Russia are not that bothered about Iran, and the US want to keep Israel around for the geopolitical influence they get from them, but I don’t think Israel is worth enough to the US to make them risk a direct confrontation with Russia.
Worst case scenario, Israel and Iran beat the shit out of each other while everyone else watches from the sidelines, making the occasional, half-hearted demand for a ceasefire. At most, Russia and US will continue supplying their respective friends with bombs and arms to profit off the conflict for as long as they can.
My guess is it depends on the damage this attack will cause. If the missiles are all shot down or hit desert, it will be some punitive F-35 strike on an Iranian airfield somewhere. But if there’s significant damage and casualties it could escalate.
I don’t think Iran is going to risk all out war with Israel and the US. I suspect they expect most of their missiles (like the drones) to be shot down. Perhaps that’s wishful thinking though…
Depends on Israels response. When Iran did this in April in retaliation for Israel bombing an Iranean embassy, Iran was like “we have retaliated and are good now”, Israel responded but it was limited, and status quo was restored.
If Israel decides to escalate (which is their default play lately), or if Iranean missiles hit forcing them to retaliate, there could be all out war, including involving the US.
If you want a hint of what’s to come:
The far-right Israeli finance minister (Bezalel Smotrich) writes on social media: “Like Gaza, Hezbollah and the state of Lebanon, Iran will regret the moment.”
I guess that will depend on what the missiles are carrying.
Well the last time Iran fired stuff at Israel, the missles were all intercepted and didn’t do anything. So we’ll see. It may end up being another otherwise nothing burger, but considering Israel is actively invading Lebanon right now, the chances for larger and larger exchanges that begin overwhelming the Iron Dome are growing by the second.
Let’s just say a limited attack by Iran would be exactly what Netanjahu could wish for, to keep the war going and secure more support from the US. So this could be the start of another 30 year war in the middle east that draws in US ground troops at some point.
Biden’s not going to put boots on the ground in an election year. Americans are tired of meaningless, never ending, wars and nobody in government wants to find out just how tired they actually are.
That said, yeah, Bibi is trying to save his own skin as much as anything else. US officials have been quietly complaining to the media for months about this
Localized slaughter and limited intervention. Same as it has been for literally decades at this point.
BBC: Airspace over Israel has been re-opened.
The BBC shows video of missiles over Tel Aviv, but at this point 'll wait for confirmation from literally anyone else before I believe the IDF’s claim that they’re from Iran.
BBC: No reports of damage or casualties so far. Missile attacks were on both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
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