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Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
Careful, winning an argument with a mod earns a free lifetime ban.
So just like the old subreddit then? Weird how that piece of culture sticks with them.
I can still remember how the news in fucking Germany changed. Suddenly, once Biden was in office, we didn’t get US politics in our evening news multiple times per week anymore. The United States became silent again.
Make America Boring Again
I long for the days when I thought government was boring and not worth my time. I know too much now too go all the way back, but it’s refreshing to have someone just quietly running the nation without starting a shitstorm every time their ego gets a little bit bruised.
The funny thing is that while Trump got constant media attention for personally saying and doing a lot of inappropriate things that past Republican presidents wouldn’t have, he was actually a fairly normal Republican president in terms of the federal government’s major policies during his term. I suppose he wasn’t actually very interested in the unglamorous business of government and left it to other, less unconventional members of his party.
This isn’t true in the slightest. Trump absolutely destroyed federal government policies. What presidency were you watching? Bush didn’t do anything even close to this much damage to the federal government. Not since Reagan. And that’s honestly being generous to Reagan, because he did a lot of federal government damage.
Do you have any specific Trump-era changes in mind?
Look at all these fucking Russian/MAGA trolls in the comments trying to play a “both sides” thing.
I was there. I lived through both. You can go fuck yourself. Like trump.
There’s a visibly coordinated effort to trash Biden and/or democrats on lemmy. The commentary is all the same. They use some form of “both sides” blaming both democrats and republicans for being awful while attacking voting for either. They focus hard on Israel and call Biden “Genocide Joe” or some similar derogatory term. Overall, they always pick at Biden’s policy completely devoid of nuance while never discussing Trump’s policies past or planned. I got several posts removed from /world calling out such similar comments.
Conversely, every single time someone makes a legitimate criticism of Biden or the Democratic establishment (and there are many to be made), someone dismisses it as “both sides”.
Democrats are undoubtedly better than Republicans. Biden is undoubtedly better than Trump. Both parties are still corrupted by mega-donors and entrenched elitism.
I have no problem with legitimate criticism. There’s plenty to criticize. However, when that criticism is derogatory, often baseless, and comes with the aforementioned attacks on voting, you bet your *** that there was nothing constructive about it.
The only people propping up their argument these days with “both sides” are the willfully uneducated and the conservatives.
I’m willfully educated and a Bernie Democrat, and I’ve been accused of making “both sides” arguments many, many times. It’s almost a guarantee that it will come out in response to any criticism of Democrats.
I don’t disagree about disengenuous conservatives making bad equivalency or “uni-party” arguments. However, it’s also true that the establishment consensus across both parties is very much outside the needs and desires of mainstream Americans.
I’m just pointing out of that it’s really easy to accidentally throw the baby out with the bathwater, and it’s not in the long term interests of the Democratic party to derail serious criticism.
Show us this “serious criticism”. It needs to be:
- sourced, or very well established facts, i.e. winner of an election (not including The Big Lie of course)
- longer than one paragraph
- have an original point
Bernie Bros are a thing. Not that you’re a Bernie Bro, just that - Trump-supporting Bernie people most definitely exist and are famous for crapping in threads. As a Bernie person myself, I don’t mean offense, I’m saying it’s easy to say “hey i’m a progressive, but Biden sucks” and that’s actually what we’re calling out here. That’s a russian troll mainstay. Actual reasoned criticism is . . . rare at best.
Bernie Bros are a thing.
Please try and apply your criteria to that statement. Write it up with multiple paragraphs with ample citations, add something original to it, then, frankly, shove it up your ass.
I honestly don’t get the hate against Biden. From what I’ve seen, he’s old and he’s done a whole lot of good, more than the average democratic president.
Him being the choice over Trump should be an obvious, nearly anyone over Trump is the better choice, so what the hell is wrong with these people wanting to vote trump or not vote at all just to stick it to Biden?
Prior to being the VP and now President, he had a long political career as an establishment corporate Democrat. His home state is where almost all US usury is headquartered, and he consistently sold out the American people to those corporations. He sponsored the bill removing bankruptcy options from student loans, sided with the banks and credit card companies on interest rates and fees, was a war hawk, and was more than “it was just how it was at the time” racist.
Essentially every bit of the “whole lot of good” has been an 11th hour change of heart and fixing problems he was more than complicit in creating. Add to that the DNC manipulation to block other candidates, and you have the South Park special of a Douche vs. a Turd Sandwich.
You like “usury” don’t ya. The word. I noticed you used it a couple of times already.
Usury. Has some weight to it, doesn’t it. Some heft. It’s got . . . connotations.
Do you have a better word for lending money and charging exorbitant interest rates, fees, or conditions to unjustly enrich the lender? I could just call them legally gray loan sharks, which they are, but the laws surrounding the governance of money lending are actually called usury laws. That’s why I used the term. I think the Banks and Credit companies that have bled the countries bottom 50% dry and have nearly succeeded in eliminating the middle class qualify for the label, but you do you.
Careful, you’re going to upset the tankie hive mind. Then they’ll report you until your comments are removed for violating some vague unexplained rule.
That’s the thing, Trump did accomplish something - he showed that radicalism in a position like the president is possible. One can act like an autocrat and actually get things done. He showed that being cut throat to accomplish your political ends is possible even when in power.
Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process… Then came Trump. Trump’s accomplishment was showing the world what radical rightwing politics could do.
Now we have imitators around the world and new strains of fascism.
Many on the left feel like similar is in order on the left. So don’t blame the tankies, as they’re as much a product of the times as anything else… And it’s quite easy to want a radical leader when it’s this obvious that the system is no longer efficient at serving the will of the people… Or should I say, the will of the left.
RIP Bernie Sanders’ presidential run. Hopefully we’ll get someone similar, but we won’t get there without making the demand clear as possible.
Obama had a chance to put in a second Supreme Court Justice near the end of his second term, but decided it was too close to the election and wouldn’t be fair to the democratic process
Obama didn’t decide anything. The GOP had majority. They stonewalled his nomination.
Obama’s mistake was to not give a forced ‘thank you for your service, you deserve rest’ to RBG when DNC had majority.
Yes OK, but apart from all that, what has Biden ever done?
He mAdE tHe pRiCe oF cHeeSe Go uP!
That’s why the cheesemakers are blessed, so that they’ll increase production which will result in lower cheese prices across the board.
I think the middle person is living on the military grade hopium where there’s bound to be a revolution that solves everything, it’s just around the corner too. So why bother trying to get small wins or even slow down the worsening conditions. Revolution will fix everything.
Any day now…
There are only so many ways to get the kind of society that works, and far too many ways for it to go wrong. It’s kind of a crazy idea to think that burning it down and starting over would be beneficial.
he constantly flirted with WW3
How?
If we were flirting with ww3 before, what would you say the current president is doing today?
Killing qasem soleimani, Moving the embassy to Jerusalem, Destabilizing Nato, Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear Deal, all the stuff with Kim Jong Un.
Neat list, when I turn on the news now I hear about lots of civilians being bombed and starved, and targets being attacked within Iranian borders.
If you think we were closer to ww3 before in the last presidency you’re full on TDS.
Trump sucked but pretending we were closer to ww3 before is delusional.
Pfft. Come on, Ivan.
what would you say the current president is doing today?
The opposite.
I mean sure it looks good I guess but I’m not holding my breath that the White House office of gun violence prevention is going to stop mass shootings.
All this stuff is designed to sound good on paper but then what’s the real impact?
Yeah, what could canceling 144 billion Dollars in student loan debt do?
Yeah that would make my life significantly better. Has that passed the courts yet?
You mean the challenge from the republiQans? That you’re siding with?
Here’s how Biden defied the Supreme Court to cancel $144 billion in student loans
Yeah. Now what do you have to say. Let me guess, it’s not enough.
“President Joe Biden unveiled another round in his steady drip of student debt write-offs on Thursday, announcing that 78,000 public sector workers would not have to repay $6 billion in loans. … Biden’s previous loan cancellation plan was ruled illegal by the Supreme Court. However, his more recent debt transfers rest on a different legal authority than the original, $400 billion-plus plan.”
Emphasis mine. Literally cut his own demands by two orders of magnitude because he didn’t want to pack the court. I’m very glad those small fraction of borrowers got some relief. We all deserve that.
Question:
Has not having that office done any good?
i know you hate to hear this but its all symbolic cherrypicked stuff.
did he stop the concentration camps for mexicans at the border? or the genocide in gaza? did he rollback anything that matters?
democrats always pretend to be doing shit since i remember, but don’t actually get anything done at all. then republicans inevitably come and push the country further into fascism, rinse repeat.
Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.
Not sure why so many of you folks just scream “AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.” and run away babbling into the distance.
There is that legitimate third choice where we continue to push after the election. Biden has shown he will listen. Seems like a plan.
AH, BOTH BAD. NO VOTE.
i literally didnt say this. we are not saying this.
Nah. Vote for Biden. Then carry that momentum to enact change.
i vote for the leftmost candidate i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.
come join me at any revolutionary leftist organization, or a good union if you truly want to enact actual change. this is the momentum we need, participating in the theather wont make that much difference.
i vote for the leftmost candidate i can, dunno where you get the impression i dont. i just dont pretend they are giving me any momentum because the leftmost in this specific case is still a right wing genocidal maniac.
A right-wing genocidal maniac? You do hear yourself right. You sound like a russian troll. It reads like russian troll comments. If it also just so happens to coincidentally mirror your political position perfectly, then. Ok.
everone i disagree with is a russian troll!
