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I didn’t really know what the Green Party was until a few years ago. I originally thought Green meant pro-environment but it really just stands for green cash money from Daddy Vlad.
Wasn’t she cleared by the senate investigative committee for not taking funds from Russia?
I’m not sure if she was or wasn’t, but depending on the Congress, they may have also “cleared” the issue of SA with Brett Kavenaugh. Congress isn’t exactly a trustworthy primary source.
Currently the Democrats are in charge. If she was truly a Russian agent couldn’t they easily start another investigation to bar her from running?
Yes.
But people here don’t want to address that because it disrupts their narrative.
The truth is, no matter what she did or didn’t do, the hostility would be the same because she’s not Harris.
They get upset at anyone who isn’t pledging their vote to Harris, and that’s the real reason behind all the hate here. In fact, look at your downvotes for asking a simple question. lmao
Is that any worse than the other parties who pay billions to daddy bibi for the privilege of sucking his removed? Honest question.
As much of a problem Israel is the fact of the matter is Putin and the Russian state as a whole is well infinitely bigger. A coalition could remove Israel in an afternoon, Russia not so much.
What coalition? Is genocide not considered serious enough to assemble this afternoon coalition?
The irony of complaining about genocide while at the exact same moment considering the possibility to “remove Israel”.
The irony of complaining about genocide while at the exact same moment considering the possibility to “remove Nazi Germany”.
Does that make it easier for you to see how what you’re saying is silly?
Israel is an apartheid regime that’s doing genocide… There were Jews in Palestine before Israel. Hating Israel and wanting it gone is not the same as wanting to kill and remove and entire people group. Killing an entire people group is what Israel stands for.
Also how crazy is it that the usa allows Israel to lobby it’s politicians with this much money.
The US killed more innocent civilians in 1 night of world war 2 then the total number of palestinians, militants and civilians combined, that Israel has killed in the entire 75 year history of it’s existence.
And true irony is complaining about apartheid when there are more Arabs on the Israeli supreme court then there are Jews living free in all of Palestine.
Well I’m not a fan of the US government either and won’t defend them. Don’t you think the goddamn atom bomb being dropped on a city is an insanely high bar for what atrocities are acceptable lmao
But what a weird argument. Think about what you’re saying for a minute: The US killed more civilians with a nuke before. Therefore, Israel can kill as many innocent civilians and children as they want. Yikes dude. That’s a bad argument and devoid of any real reason. You ok?
!Irony is complaining about apartheid when there are more Arabs on the Israeli supreme court then there are Jews living free in all of Palestine. !<
I mean Israel is in Palestine… So do you not think the Jews in Israel are living free?
You’re trying to justify genocide and apartheid. Really think about what side that puts you on.
Compared to what is gained by otherwise ignoring it? Genocide in the Levant doesnt quite register for such actions yet. I aint happy about it either, but a lot of the problem is that there are still enough Silent, Boomers, and Gen X in governments who think that even criticizing Israel makes them at best aligned with Nazis making them hesitant at best towards making Israel a fucken parking lot.
I severely doubt such kids gloves would be used with most other countries in the region, with the exception of places like the UAE, Dubai, and Saudi Arabia. But they have oil and may throw a hissy fit and will crash the world economy again. Seriously the worst thing about the end of colonialism is that the Arabian peninsula cant be colonized and the local authorities ignored.
Yes.
Why?
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I hate how they’ve spammed their way into turning this community into 90% conversations about irrelevant 3rd parties.
Every post is either by them or something meant to dunk on them.
That’s such a ridiculous claim that I bothered to count.
There’s been 4 posts about anything regarding 3rd parties out of 31 in the last 24h and that’s much MORE than usual!
Sounds like you’re just hypersensitive about being reminded that the two party duopoly is only ALMOST complete 🙄
Yes that was hyperbolic, I see these posts on my feed on a daily basis, and it’s filled with dozens of rehashed comments bickering about the validity of third parties. It’s getting far more attention here than it deserves when there are tons of actual, real political issues in the world.
I’ll be the first to say that I hate both major parties, but I have the political literacy to understand that the way to fix it is not by voting for someone with questionable ties to Russia that seems to pop up out of nowhere every four years.
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you’d be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system. You’d also be doing work at a local level where real change can be made to movement rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election. You won’t do that though because you’re all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work. I’m interested in following news thats grounded in reality
If you guys
I’m not one of “those guys” advocating specific 3rd party candidates. Sadly, none of the current choices are viable.
I’m just pointing out your overreaction, which is just as much of a distraction from the REAL issues you pretend to care about.
actually cared to solve the issues
Yeah, because mentioning 3rd parties means that you don’t care about anything else at all. What a galaxy brained take 🙄
campaigning to to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system.
That’s exactly what I’m doing, depending on how wide your definition of “campaigning” is. Just because I correct your hysteria doesn’t mean that you have to create a strawman of me that totes loves Jill Stein or whatever 🙄
You’d also be doing work at a local politics where real change can be made
In my case, “local” is part of Denmark, a country with a much better election system. Doesn’t mean that I can’t have knowledge and opinions about US politics and the kinds of absolutist “us or them” language that bears some of the responsibility for the duopoly surviving in spite of what the vast majority of the population wants.
Also, just FYI: assuming that everyone is able to be active in local politics beyond online discussions reeks of privilege and ableism.
rather than just throwing a candidate out for president every election
Again lumping me in with a group to which I don’t belong.
You won’t do that though because you’re all a bunch of weird idealists with fantastical views of how politics work
Aaand again. Are you going for some kind of record in strawmen and jumping to conclusions? Because if so, you’re doing an excellent job so far.
I’m interested in following news thats grounded in reality
Me too. I’m also interested in discussing the news using language grounded in reality, rather than weird hyperbole making a small minority out to be a dominant force and tormentor ruining everything.
As much as I’m tempted, I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this. For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs on here doesn’t really matter, I’ve said my piece.
Have a great day.
They’re not even American, yet telling us how we should vote. That’s about as bad faith as it gets.
For someone mad about me ‘jumping to conclusions’ you sure made a whole lot of assumptions about me that aren’t really true.
Which ones specifically? I did you the courtesy of being specific about how and where you were wrong about me. If you’re gonna go “no you!”, it would behoove you to do the same rather than being as vague as a teenager posting on Facebook on a bad day.
Whether my rant was directed at you, or one of the handful of other Jill Stein nutjobs
I specifically informed you that I don’t consider any of the third party candidates viable and have not said anything to the contrary to indicate that I support Stein in any way. I don’t, for the record.
I’m not interested in getting to a debate with you about this.
Because you don’t have any counterarguments. You just lie, misrepresent, and demand that everyone believes you. Which seems to be working in this case since it’s taking place in a pro-DNC echo chamber almost half as tribalist as the fascist ones.
I’ve said my piece.
Now I have too. Have the day you deserve.
This has to be some kind of chatgpt essay blend. How are you able to write so much based on so little? All your comments are like walls of text responses to like one liners. I just don’t get it. How? How do y’all have so much time on your hands???
Being not from America, you have NO PLACE telling people how they should vote. And no one has the obligation to take nothing you say seriously at all.
Never told anyone how to vote, so you can pack that strawman away.
We have a saying over here: when America sneezes, Europe catches a cold.
We live in an interconnected world where what the world’s foremost superpower does profoundly effects literally billions of people.
There’s nothing weird about a European being interested in and knowledgeable about American politics.
Dismissing my input based on geography alone ON THE INTERNET makes it a good thing that no one has the obligation to take anything a fool like you says seriously at all either.
Riiiiiight. You do know your comment history is public, right? Because aside from the metric fuckton of misinformation that is removed when you post, you CLEARLY have an anti-democrat and pro socialist agenda to push on an election that you have nothing to do with.
Go sit down. When Denmark becomes relevant to our election, we’ll call you.
It’s getting far more attention here than it deserves when there are tons of actual, real political issues in the world.
Disagree. I’m happy to see it getting discussed more. And by more people than just me! :)
If you guys actually cared to solve the issues you’d be campaigning to first and foremost get electoral reform to make third parties even remotely viable instead of trying to work within this extremely broken, barely democratic system.
What makes you think we don’t? I bring it up all the time with my elected officials.
Well said! It’s wild how some people get so worked up just because there are more than two political options. The majority of what I share is about socialism, but the moment I post one article about the Green Party, they blow it out of proportion and shout, “This is all you post!”—despite my post history being public and proving them wrong. 😂
If you’re not comfortable with this community embracing diverse political viewpoints and would prefer an echo chamber that only discusses one party, you’re always welcome to start your own Lemmy community.
Pesonally, I’m glad to see more third-party voices gaining visibility here!
Like the Green Party itself I look forward to you disappearing after the election. I’m sure your handlers will have you focus on some other pressing topic.
I think they’ll just have more time to devote to their other interests, like their c/transracial Lemmy community.
Well, I have some really bad news for you, friend. You sitting down?
I’m not going anywhere. The vast majority of my posts are to my own Socialist communities that I mod, and those issues I care about won’t disappear after the election. And neither Harris nor Trump will work on them.
And if you look around, I’m far from being the only one on Lemmy who supports third parties.
But just for a point of clarification, what do you mean by “handlers”? I’m not sure I understand the context of that. Can you clarify for me? Thank you! :)
This is really tough to see, especially when in other countries the other Greens are actual, viable parties.
Many of them are surprisingly silent on the matter.
It’s refreshing.
Um, I don’t know about that.
I don’t think anyone counts you as relevant.
Really? That means when I post, I don’t have to worry about people calling me a liar and a Russian shill anymore, right?
And no one will be bothered by what I post anymore or complain about how much I post, because I mean, it’s not like I’m relevant or anything. Right?!
That’s awesome!! Thank you! :)
No, but on a VERY far left leaning platform, you’re al almost always ratioed into oblivion. That should probably tell you a lot. But you’re not here in good faith, and that is probably is why it doesn’t matter much to you.
Most people generally don’t stick around places where they’re not wanted.
What makes you think I’m not here in good faith? What do you think good faith means? Because it seems to me that just because I am not voting for Harris, you think that doesn’t count as good faith. So maybe you could clarify.
And just because I get downvoted a lot, you think I should just now voice my opinions? Do you think that Lemmy should only allow views that the majority here view? Like an echo chamber?
Oh please! By all means…. Voice your opinion. That’s why lemmy is here. I just wanted to know that you were aware that lemmy is a notoriously left leaning/socialist platform, and you’re STILL downvoted into irrelevance.
And not that you’ve successfully derailed the conversation- as you do, I’m going to end it- as I do, because you have proven yet again that you have nothing to offer the topic but distraction and irrelevancy.
NOT VOTING FOR HERRRRRRRRR
Hey! Me either! We’re friends, now!
I’m not voting for fruit
Obviously.
Are we sure that that’s not her secret Lemmy account? Lmao
I don’t think she’s THAT well spoken, unfortunately.
I’ve seen that person around. Serious cringe vibes.
Right?!
I don’t see them in the comments. They’re probably on lunch break with that linkerbaan person.
What is a linkerbaan person? Context?
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I’ll still answer tho. I’m not voting for Jill Stein. Thank you for thinking about me so much tho!
Lie to yourself if you must, but don’t expect anyone here to believe it
;)
I’m not lying about anything. Early on, I was voting for her, and I openly said so. I still like her and appreciate what she stands for. My entire post history is public, and I’ve been upfront from the start.
But since I lean more socialist, I’ve shifted to supporting a socialist party.
Why would I lie about not voting for Jill Stein when I clearly said I was going to vote for her in the beginning?
If I still support her efforts and have never denied that, then what would even be the point of lying about switching my vote?
And not only that, but I’ve switched my vote to a WAY lesser known third party–the Socialist Workers Party. So please tell me your theories on why I would lie about that.
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Fair point and solid burn. POINTS!
Jill Stein is the latest in an interminable line of Green Party fucknuts “killing” the Green Party.
Next.
Jill Stein
Is Killingkilled the Green PartyWas there anything there to kill?
A bucket full of russian mob money.
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Given the ridiculous amount of money being poured into anti green sentiment and lawsuits by the Dems, it seems like they’re threatened.
Maybe we can have a somewhat left wing party when Dems lose again and can’t blame the greens or Bernie bros or other scape goats for their own failure to represent popular policies.
Threatened by Russian shills and spoiler campaigns by useless candidates that talk a lot and say nothing?
Yeah.
That’s a lot to be treated by. Especially when democrat hangs in the balance. Your lady is busted bro. The truth is out.
Go sit down somewhere.
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My “owners?”
Care to explain exactly what you meant by this?
Would you ever under any circumstance, not vote dem?
I vote for who I believe has the collective best interest of this country in mind, while holding the office with dignity, humility and respect for the individuality of this country’s citizens.
If they’re a democrat- I’m voting for them.
If the Green Party offers someone that can prove that they intend to take the job seriously, and doesn’t just pretend that shit matters one year out of every four…. I’d be happy to give them my support.
Until then, it’s democrats down the line.
So then you’re voting green, right? More people in office than any other third party.
No. I’m not voting for a spoiler Russian shill or a spoiler place holder.
JFK JR doesn’t even register as qualified in my book.
Harris all the fucking way to a living breathing democracy. After that, we start over and see what we have.
But your Green Party is a fucking joke. It’s over. Stein destroyed it.
I vote for who I believe has the collective best interest of this country in mind, while holding the office with dignity, humility and respect for the individuality of this country’s citizens.
Me too! That’s why I’m voting third party.
It’s a free country. You’re free to be as foolish as you’d like.
Popular policies like investing into green energy, capping prescription drug prices, appropriately regulating business, helping students with the price of college, raising taxes on the wealthy and helping first time homebuyers get a house?
Sure, trump did two of those, Biden has done one but promised more, and those don’t touch the problems Americans actually have, like affording rent and groceries while dealing with record inflation and failing economy for all but the wealthiest. If Dems kept half their promises they’d still be 80s Republicans, but at least people wouldn’t be becoming homeless at the fastest rate in US history.
Really? Which two did Trump do?
Arguably Biden has done more than two of those things. At least, not for the lack of trying.
Yep. Funny how Democrats are just as desperate as the Republicans (who always try to get rid of Libertarians) to make sure we have fewer choices to vote for.
Or maybe we will just get neo-fascism and the violent persecution of left wing america.
That’s going to happen regardless if you keep electing liberals while thinking left wing policies are too unpopular to pass. Hitler was appointed by a liberal.
Ever hear the term beefsteak nazi?
in his 1936 book Hitler: A Biography, remarking that in the Sturmabteilung (Brownshirts, SA) ranks there were “large numbers of Communists and Social Democrats” and that “many of the storm troops were called ‘beefsteaks’ – brown outside and red within”.
See also : Alexander dugan’s red-brown-green alliance of industrial union-focused leftists (red), ecologically-minded agrarians (green), and the far right (brown) which saw the russian hard left communist party merge with russia’s hard right neo-nazi party.
AKA : Red fascists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beefsteak_Nazi
At least she’s doing one good thing?
She was a major reason Trump won over Hillary, and she is still taking more votes from democrats than republicans.
Hillary was the reason Trump won over Hillary. lmao
I thought racism had a lot more to do with it. Plus the way that American votes are counted.
There were lots of things that went wrong. It definitely wasn’t just because of a third party.
The electoral college and DNC hubris are the reasons Hillary lost.
Fair points!
That’s defiantly a way to look at it.
anybody really care?
Read the room bud.
No we don’t. The green party wasn’t even that alive
So one might say:
She’s killing it 🕶️
One might, but should one?
She’s reducing it, the first and best r
if you’re telling me that there’s a compromised candidate who isn’t pursuing the stated goals of their party or the best interests of their voter base, I- I- I-'d I’d have to removed an eye at you and wonder what your agenda was fella
pure nonsense, imagine
just glad my party isn’t one of those, whichever one that’s convenient for the reader
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