“Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016 she’s at it again,” DNC spokesman Matt Corridoni said in a statement to The Bulwark. “Jill Stein won’t become president, but her spoiler candidacy—that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in—can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump.”

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      LOL it took a whole hour

      you kids are slacking

      and no. voting for harris does NOT make me “pro-genocide,” no matter how much you wish it did.

      have fun watching jill stein get a single digit percentage of the vote. if that. but don’t feel like you accomplished something by throwing your vote away, because you didn’t

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        and no. voting for harris does NOT make me “pro-genocide,” no matter how much you wish it did.

        Of course not. You being pro-genocide means that you have two candidates to choose from.

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            Its not crazy to acknowledge that the current choices are genocide or genocide light. You can even still vote for Kamala and feel slightly bad about her stance on Israel. Wheres the problem with allowing some nuance here? Turning this into all or nothing, live or die, good or evil, is not very convincing in my opinion.

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              Yea well buddy, I’m sorry but I’m not going to just sit here and allow genocide or genocide light without calling you a jackass on the internet.

              But I will walk up to the store right now and get another beer.

              Brb

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            If Harris promised to stop sending weapons to Netanyahu, how many centrists do you think would become trumpers?

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                You mean to tell me that centrists would rather throw a tantrum and withhold their votes just because they didn’t get 100% of everything they wanted, even when that would mean guaranteeing a Trump victory?

                The exact same shit they’ve been accusing progressives of doing? The same rationale they use to blame progressives for Clinton’s loss in 2016?

                Why does Vote Blue No Matter Who only ever work one way?

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              Zero intelligent ones, because everyone knows we just need someone to say it at this point.

              But you know what?

              Harris can’t even say out loud that she will stop the genocide.

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            Quite binary to assume that a critique of a liberal implies that I am a conservative. Socialists. Can’t stand either one of you

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              And yet the hatred you constantly exude evokes conservatism and the voting you push helps conservatives. Putin would salivate at your post history.

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                  And yet any objective observer would conclude you hate “liberals” as much as any Nazi hates minorities. Also nice job inappropriately using the word Nazi.

                  The way you write begs for all of your ideas to be discarded wholesale. You obviously aren’t looking to convince anyone, only to feel superior, which you aren’t. To anyone.

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              The problem is that “support genocide” is being used overly broadly.

              The stated policy of the Biden/Harris administration is that Israel has a right to defend itself.

              Surprise! They do. Every sovereign nation has that right.

              As a result of that stated policy, Biden and Harris both support providing weapons and funding for the continual defense of Israel.

              https://www.npr.org/2024/08/23/g-s1-19232/kamala-harris-israel-gaza-dnc

              So follow me here:

              1. Israel has a right to defend itself.
              2. The US will support that defense.

              Where it breaks down is Bibi and Likud taking that defensive support and directing it into the Genocide.

              That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

              Trump’s stated policy is that Israel needs to kill everyone quicker.

              https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

              “They’re losing the PR war. They’re losing it big. But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”

              Only one of these two policies is pro-genocide, Trumps.

              Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

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                That’s on THEM. The United States is making a good faith effort to provide support for the defense of Israel. Israel is intentionally misapplying that support.

                This is not a good argument. They’re not infants, they have agency and the ability to perceive the impacts of their actions.

                Biden/Harris is pro-defense which is illegitimately being used for genocide, not at all the same as being pro-genocide.

                Eh, it certainly means they’re not proactively anti-genocide.

                But more importantly it’s not going to move someone uncomfortable with the Democratic material support for the genocide a single iota closer to accepting that there is still a better candidate both for Palestine and for all the aspects where they’re actually good, not just not as a bad.

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                  They do have the ability to percieve the results of their actions, and they know if they cut Israel loose, they lose the election.

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                    Israeli vs. Palestinian support isn’t nearly so overwhelming that there is simply one side that guarantees loss. This is an excuse by you for them, not a truth of politics.

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                  1. It’s not going to be finished by January.

                  2. Israel doesn’t need our help to shoot little kids in the chest and head. Bullets are cheap.