• DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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    I’ve seen this episode, at first after the revolution there’s three full plates of food. The party is doing well in power, then they consolidate power, the food portions get smaller as party elites get richer and more powerful.

    Eventually it’s just three plastic replicas of food, as they acknowledge everyone eats differently. Eventually it’s just a badge or picture of the plates of food. By that time class based Capitalism has been restarted by the new party oligarchs, they even have more control and oversight than the current Capitalists.

    What I mean is, you can’t “should” us to a new and better system. You have to fully understand the current one, its weaknesses and strengths and the minds/views/motivations of every class and type in it before you can come up with something that is entirely and peacefully transition motivated, and has a better option to transition to… What’s more the whole journey has to appeal to human nature and satisfy some if not all those needs… Even if you don’t personally share all those needs… And you have to be realistic about such.

    Rules for Rulers comes as close as I’ve seen on this:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

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      Or, you know, we could spend slightly more on existing food programs and relax eligibility requirements…

      We don’t have to put Stalin in charge to better fund SNAP or free school lunches

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          Please specify the “We”

          The general answer is political and scientific illiteracy combined with corruption in politics (such as money or a party with too much power).

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        2 months ago

        Cool, glad it got resolved so simply and neatly, good job everyone! 👍

        P.S remember when the Black Panthers had to enforce the right to have a free breakfast program, by patrolling the streets with guns? They we’re Maoist by the way (Maoism dictates using the community to set up community services). Glad things are so much simpler now. Operating on kind comments, thoughts and prayers 🙏

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          I don’t understand why, when confronted with the idea that we should eliminate hunger, you equated that with communist revolution

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            That’s just how far I’ve given up on reformist Capitalism and establishment corruption.

            …but also on well meaning idealism that has little meaningful to offer.

            You know what would be great, an honest, true, and transparent political system, and maximum wealth limits.

            …like we can express good intentions and desires all day. That’s cool, but there are hard problems in the way, and at some point utopianism is a distraction from realism and genuine analysis of what those hard problems are.

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              Your idea to end establishment corruption is to give full authority and remove all accountability for the Establishment, such as Mao ZeDong did?

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                2 months ago

                No dumb ass, nor did I ever say that by pointing out that the Black Panthers were Maoist in their food distribution program (see their Wikipedia page for details).

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          They murdered Fred, while he was sleeping next to his pregnant girlfriend. Then blamed him.