Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn’t spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.
You’re calling anti genocide protesters fascist now?
If, in a saw-esque limited outcome system, you use your action to better the chances of turbo-genocide-fascist trump, then I have beef with the true motivations of such an “anti genocide protester.”
Good point. You should never compromise or work with anyone who doesn’t share 100% of your goals. /s
Genocide apologia
Yes, you’re right, it is awful how these self-proclaimed leftists play apologist for intensifying the genocide in Gaza and committing genocide on American minorities at home.
You don’t have to justify and validate a genocide in order to vote for Harris. I am in a swing state. I will vote for Harris. But I won’t belittle and disparage anyone who chooses to vote third party or not vote because of the genocide. If she loses because of this adherence to a failed policy, that is on her, not the millions of voters who are deciding based on their perspectives and principles.
“I am just a voter, I have no responsibility for my actions as a citizen in the polity I vote in” is such a compelling line. I wish I had the kind of privilege where I could pretend that decisions of the polity were as inconsequential as voting for my favorite color instead of something the lives of millions ride on.
I’m sure Ryan Wesley Routh agrees with you.
Except trump-never is a possible goal
Only if their anti-genocide protest consists of helping fascists into power. All other anti-genocide protesters are based in my book.
You know that the people saying that the democratic party has to earn their vote are for a large portion muslims who can not vote for a party that will continue funding a genocide right? I find it appalling that instead of calling the people who are currently funding the genocide fascist, you are actually calling those people that are protesting against the genocide fascist.
Oh, cool, so doing that is going to reduce US support for the ongoing genocide, right?
… right…?
Cool. I find it appalling that choosing to usher in fascists who will do everything in their power to assist the genocide is considered a morally acceptable choice by some people.
Protestation and striking is the only way to achieve goals that are against the interests of the ruling class. You are trying to shame the only people actually doing anything worthwhile. Electorialism is meaningless compared to protestation.
Oh, cool, so we’re in agreement, then, that the people saying stuff like “The Democrats have to EARN my vote against fascism!” are actually disingenuous accelerationists doing the old conservative routine of “Meet me in the middle” with no intention of ever actually cooperating or improving anyone’s life.
So… people asking the person who is supposed to represent them to meet them in the middle are facists? The ones asking the DNC to just, actually represent those it wants votes from?
Not the ones… actively supporting and furthering a genocide?
Ok. Yeah. Sure man. Because it’s clearly the thousands of people who should change and support the killing of their own, not the two who are supposed to represent them.
My favorite part was late last year when so many Very Concerned Leftists were crying “IF THE DEMS CAME OUT IN FAVOR OF A CEASEFIRE, THEN I COULD SUPPORT THEM AGAINST THE LITERAL FASCISTS, OH WOE IS ME, I CANNOT DO SO UNTIL THEY AT LEAST DO THAT BARE MINIMUM OF EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR A CEASEFIRE!”
And then when Biden began publicly supporting a ceasefire, they immediately changed their tack so they could continue supporting fascism in the US. Such is how it always goes with such creatures.
I mean, going above congress to still send arms to Israel while allowing them to continually sink negotiations for a ceasefire is not doing much to actually support it other than in name. They want actual action, not political theatre dems are known for. Like at the DNC Kamala starting by saying she will always support Israel. Then saying “oh and uh Palestine shouldn’t be completely murdered” to give the bare minimum. But hey, at least she did the bare minimum? Enough to allow some to still hold their nose and vote, though some will still hold out for better than that.
Even still, Green and PSL are what, 0.3% of the vote? Not even a third of a percent. You act like they are more to blame than the 47% republucan vote? So busy trying to turn progressives into an enemy, cuz you know, that’s what it’s gotta be right? Politics always has to be your team wins and everyone else is evil, cuz how else could you win as the lesser evil. lol. Fucking god. Let people push for the DNC to be more progressive, a third of a percent is a lot better than the 1.18% who vote libertarian. But having the DNC make people WANT to vote for them and get some of those ~40% who don’t vote would be good. A lot more good than 0.3% who will vote for someone more progressive.
I find it wild that you take that conclusion from what I said. The largest portion of Palestine protesters care about one thing, which is the quickest end to the ongoing genocide possible. In the US that means getting the government to stop funding said genocide. The means through which to do that are protesting and striking. Is there anything in this that screams accelerationist to you? I’m just telling you that most anti genocide protesters will not vote for the democratic party. However, those protesters are doing much more for Palestine than you are. So calling them fascist is indeed appalling.
Palestinians have fought this battle for decades. They are experienced with tactics to support their cause. They are not asking for you to vote, they are asking for you to organise your workplace to make sure that ties with Israel are being cut, and they are asking you to get on the streets to demand your government to stop supporting genocide. These are tactics that have historically been effective on this issue and other similar issues.
Would you like to re-read the first line of the meme, or are you just spouting off without regard to what the topic actually is?
Are you reading my actual words or are you just spewing nonsense with intent? Recognising that electorialism is not as effective as protestation does not mean support for accelerationism. It just means that the people protesting on the streets are doing more good than a dem voter and therefore it is completely backwards to call them fascists.
Why aren’t the protesters calling for Hamas to release the hostages if they really want an end to the war? You have a far better chance of influencing Hamas than influencing anyone else at this point with your extreme rhetoric.
Methinks the goal isn’t actually to end the violence it’s to continue it indefinitely because many so-called pro-Palestinians are profiting from the suffering of Palestinians. A sickening turn for social media where human suffering has been monetized.
Because that was never the point, maybe? Where did you even get the idea the war would end if Hamas releases the hostages? Have you been living with us this past year? Were you keeping up with the ridiculous number of ceasefire deals Israel sabotaged?
You can tell they’re white because they think demanding to see genocide’s manager is more effective than voting against even more genocide happening.
Lol
I think it’s far more telling that you think this is something race-based. Let me tell you as part of a group that certifiably was actively and passively genocided by the US government. My grandmother even went to the notorious Indian schools. You know the ones where you often see stories of mass graves being found out back of today.
Now maybe it’s a personal failing in myself to not see the nobility of your position. Willingly sacrificing lives of people like my family and even myself. With no real chance of receiving anything in return. But someone’s going to have to adequately explain that before I’ll see it that way.
I’m going to stick to empowering voices like to talib, omar, and Sanders. Not trying to attack and reduce their power like you do. All as some sort of pyrrhic virtue signaling ritual.
Protesting and striking are valuable ways of organizing and fighting for change outside of the broken electoral system, but that isn’t incompatible with using the power afforded to us through the electoral system to avoid the additional damage of a Trump presidency.
Or would you prefer to continue protesting and striking while the president has openly laughed about illegally firing striking workers and backed the use of even more police violence against protestors? Have we really forgotten 2020 so quickly?
The dems don’t shy away from making strikes or protests illegal (look at the way students are getting beat up by the police today). Protesting has always been a risk and it will be a bigger risk during a trump presidency. However the people outnumber the police massively and killing the whole population is economically just not feasible for the ruling class. What I’m saying is that the equation is not as simple as just saying that you should vote for the ‘lesser evil’, because the lesser evil will grow more evil if they don’t face any repercussions. I’m also saying that the people who are actively partaking in protests are doing a lot more for a better world than someone who just votes once every few years. And calling the current anti genocide protesters fascists is a huge insult to any civil rights movements that have successfully taken place in the past.
Who are you going to vote for that will stop supporting genocide? Do you think any President will force divestment from Israel? Or end the massive influx of Chinese goods through Walmart and Amazon?
When there is no option to vote against genocide you turn to the streets. What have you done to stop the genocide? Shame other people for not voting for the party that will continue funding a genocide?
You’ve got a little under two months to overthrow the government. If your master plan isn’t completed by then, the only moral choice is to vote strategically.
Only a small portion of the US needs to go on strike for it to be monetarily catastrophic for the ruling class to continue their strong support for the genocide. So yes, I think that a general strike is way more likely to stop the genocide than convincing people to vote for a party that will continue use their taxes to fund genocide.
Okay, so, like I said, you have a little under two months to complete that. Otherwise? Accept that political power comes with political responsibility.
Okay. Do you agree that calling people who are actually trying to do this fascist is twisted, given the fact that they are actively trying to change fascist decisions by the current US government through historically proven to be effective means?
Please try reading what I say before responding to it.
Yes and I have told you that most of those protesters are the same people who would say that the democrats have not earned their vote. Which means that you are calling them fascists in this post.
Clearly, anyone against war is not a Nazi \s.
Do you think that pro Palestine protesters are nazi’s?
Do you ask questions that aren’t leading?
If the answer to the question is no then your comment is completely irrelevant.
News flash for ya, bud… you’re not part of some elite and secret minority group. Nearly everyone is anti genocide.
I’m expecting people here to be anti genocide and showing the contradiction in calling actual protesters fascist.
But clearly not everyone is anti genocide since there are still quite a lot of people who believe that Israel has the right to steal Palestinian land and kill Palestinian civilians indiscriminately (Harris & Trump do, most politicians in most European countries do as well)