• revelrous@sopuli.xyz
    62·
    6 months ago

    Cool.

    Now everybody go fucking vote.

    Protest every fucking step of the way. But on 11/5 get your ass to the polls. Voting is not an endorsement, it’s a measure to hold back the christofascist state so more ten year olds don’t have to carry their rapist’s baby to term.

      • revelrous@sopuli.xyz
        39·
        6 months ago

        Don’t vote -> ??? -> World peace

        Draw me the rest of the fucking owl. I’ve yet to hear a plan as to how not voting actually helps anyone.

        I have no illusions what Biden is. Or what Trump is. Vote.

      • Xhieron@lemmy.worldEnglish
        25·
        6 months ago

        How much are you getting paid? I only wish I was as passionate about my job as you are about yours.

        • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          6 months ago

          The problem’s voting for the candidate doesn’t work either. Or Voting 3rd party. Or Voting Republican. Or primarying in a more leftist candidate (because they often fight and lose to the DNC).

          Apparently, neither does going on record as not voting for him as a protest. Hmmmm… what was the way to move the Democrats left?

          • dvoraqs@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 months ago

            Election reform. When third parties are viable options (they are absolutely not now and just create a spoiler effect that works against your side), politics will need to shift to accommodate those interests. Push for Ranked Choice Voting and more!

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
        11·
        6 months ago

        What do you suggest the left do? I know you’ve said you believe in protesting at the polls. What’s step two?

        • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
          3·
          6 months ago

          Centrist Dems went back to brunch and got lazy once Biden won. Maybe we need a fire lit under people’s asses to get them in the streets and fighting for change again.

          • revelrous@sopuli.xyz
            12·
            6 months ago

            Garbage babe. Utter dog pile. Tripe. Sweetheart, let auntie cup your bright little cheeks between her hands, look you in eye, and tell you things you dont want to hear.

            Trump wants to use lethal force on protesters and half the country will cheer him on while he does it. Both sides are not the same. The 2025 project will get rid of all those pesky civil servants that stood in the way the last time he suggested it and the US is great at marginalizing ‘militant’ actors.

            ‘Fine people on both sides’ do you not remember? Were you too young to pay attention? Under trump we will lose a ‘fight in the streets.’ Go read some about the histories of what happens to all the good little leftists when the gloves come off.

            It doesn’t matter if you were right. The state will make up an excuse as to why you deserved it, and enough people will buy it or be too afraid to make themselves a target by protesting. The boat will not rock, the needle of the cause will not move. For example: how much time did your school spend on the battle of Blair Mountain? We’ve tried this before, again and again, and the military buries the evidence and we forget.

            The better agent of change, albeit slow and unsatisfying, is to convince people they have a conscience and should listen to it. Vote you motherfucker, it’s like wearing a seatbelt.

          • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
            10·
            6 months ago

            So you’re an accelerationist? You believe a Trump presidency would lead to a violent revolution that will improve the nation?

      • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
        9·
        6 months ago

        In good faith: did you hear anyone actually say this? Biden’s a Clinton Democrat: more friendly to big business than to the working class. He was never going to be a class-leftist, and nobody promised he would be.

        But he has been socially liberal, and he didn’t need any nudging. He was always socially liberal.

        And those are your choices, for better or worse: an economically right-leaning, socially left-leaning old white man; or an economically hard-right, socially hard-right old white man.

        The only way to fix this is to get rid of the electoral college and implement something other than first-past-the-post voting. Not voting is not going to fix it. In the meantime, you try to get the guy elected who isn’t trying to instigate a dictatorship.

    • TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world
      3·
      6 months ago

      Now everybody go fucking vote.

      Vote for whom? You clearly don’t want me to vote for just anyone, so say the name. Stop being a removed and say who it is you want me to vote for.

  • Mastengwe@lemm.ee
    53·
    6 months ago

    Another idiot leading the charge to do nothing and expect results. At least this isn’t out of character for her.

    • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
      6·
      6 months ago

      She endorsed Biden and kept pushing for him in 2020. Now because she voices how she feels she’s an idiot?

      Blue MAGA gonna Blue MAGA. Voter shaming doesn’t work.

      • Mastengwe@lemm.ee
        60·
        6 months ago

        Yes. This has been explained to you every time you post your anti-Biden propaganda.

        NOT VOTING AND EXPECTING CHANGE IS BAD.

        Nothing will change. You’re not doing anything that hasn’t been done many times in the past- provenly with zero results. All you’re going to do is help us get Trump- but you know this already, don’t you?

        And the fact that you don’t care, shows how little respect you’re deserved in this.

        • return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
          5·
          6 months ago

          She maintained, that despite her stance, she is not encouraging people not to vote. “I’m not encouraging anybody to not vote. You do what you want to do, but I’m telling you what I’m doing and that’s it,” she said. "But the more you know, and the more passionate you become, the more you see that our leaders are evil."She said that people have told her that she needs to “pick the lesser evil” when it’s time to vote this year, but she considers both of them “evil.”

          “I’m all for protecting America and for the better of America, but this war is not doing nothing for America and it hurts me,” she said. “Children are dying… I hate that, that disgusts me no matter what religion, no matter what language we speak. We all have one thing in common. We love our children, we love our parents, we love our family.”

          https://www.complex.com/music/a/backwoodsaltar/cardi-b-talks-about-refusing-to-vote-for-biden-trump

          • Mastengwe@lemm.ee
            39·
            6 months ago

            Dude. If you can’t see that’s she’s bandwagoning you’re blind as blind gets. This is all about her brand. Nothing more. She doesn’t give a shit. But since you never listen to anyone and think you know everything- you go ahead and look at the world through whatever lens you feel you need to.

          • Hadriscus@lemm.ee
            1·
            6 months ago

            lol. Celebrity publically announces her intention not to vote, and you expect this announcement to have zero effect on her groupies ? especially when the headlines conveniently leave out the part where she says “I’m not telling you what to do”?

  • jmanes@lemmy.worldEnglish
    26·
    6 months ago

    Our system is pretty broken, but if you’re given a lever to pull (voting) you may as well pull it. There is no benefit to be gained from opting out.

      • jmanes@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        6 months ago

        Optimistic thinking! But I’m afraid such protests are futile for many reasons. The biggest issue is that refusing to vote has no visibility; it is not like a real protest or real activism. You simply disappear in numbers small enough to not matter, and those in power will continually claim the power until contested.

        There is no reconciling with those in power through pacifism. History teaches us this time and time again. Continue to vote while you can, and remember Trotsky’s ideals for when things go bad.

        1. Never trust the ruling class
        2. Control your leaders
        3. Have confidence in your own abilities
      • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        6 months ago

        It’s never worked in the past. So surely it will work this time!

        The system doesn’t care if you think it’s legitimate or not. Especially if you don’t vote. They’ve worked hard to take the votes of many, nullify the votes of others. They’ll just laugh at the ones that waste theirs.

      • CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 months ago

        I’m sure the people on the right — who already actively engage in suppressing the vote of people who do want to vote — will feel deeply concerned about the legitimacy of their increased power due to people on the left deciding not to vote.

        And I’m sure the Democrats, who will then have even less power in the federal government, will somehow use their non-power to pass laws to make things better in order to woo these non-voters who have proven their unreliability.

    • Mastengwe@lemm.ee
      32·
      6 months ago

      You’re shilling an article about someone who has a proven track record of being selfish, shallow, and as fake as they get. It’s hilarious that you think this is making some kind of point in your favor.

      You aren’t even aware that this further illustrates your agenda here to everyone. Trust me when I say this, you’re doing yourself NO favors here.

      But that’s not why you’re here, is it?

    • paddirn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      6 months ago

      That’s cool, but choosing to do nothing is also a choice and you’ll see worse results under Trump, maybe even American forces helping out in the genocide, complete withdrawal of any Palestinian relief efforts, even more weapons provided without any conditions, and repression of groups here in the US. Saving the Palestinians would be great, but throwing out everything else for their sake when it won’t even make a difference just seems childish. If Trump gets power again, you won’t even have the freedom to worry about the Palestinians anymore, but you’ll still have to live with dead Palestinian children under rubble.

      With Biden, there’s at least attempts at trying to reign in the Israelis. The US has less sway over the Israelis than what many probably think, as we can see with Israel’s/Netanyahu’s flippant attitude towards Biden’s urgings for restraint. Israel specifically started positioning itself to be less reliant on US influence since the 90s. We should still just stop sending them weapons altogether, but at least under Biden there an effort to stop it (as ineffectual as they are). Under Trump, the US will give increased enthusiastic support.

      • Mastengwe@lemm.ee
        22·
        6 months ago

        People like Ozma don’t seem to care about any of that. Their disingenuous agenda appears to have no other purpose than to smear Biden and nothing else. Many people have tried explaining how things work just as you have, and many even brought proof to support their argument.

        This dude just shuts down and stops responding when he runs out of excuses to not vote. This is about as bad-faith as it gets. You’re better off just citing how it’s wrong than trying to get this person to listen to reason.

        Cardi is a fraud. She’s trying to boost her brand. Nothing more.