For over 30 years the US has only fought let’s say sub-peer militaries. Vietnam was a factor that prompted them to innovate briefly - we often think of Vietnamese soldiers as ‘farmers’ but no, it was a comprehensive, exhaustive, and almost peer military. They shot down planes all the time and led a two-prong strategy of guerilla and conventional (with the army in the north alongside what is referred to as the Viet Cong which was a mass front, i.e. federating all vietnamese into it regardless of affiliation, though under the command of the communist party). They were geniuses, you don’t win on grit alone.
The M16 and M4 were introduced in Vietnam for example (M4 after the war but based on Vietnam experience), and of course the extensive use of napalm and agent orange and new helicopters made for the theater. It might also very well have been the first US “forever war”.
But I would position Vietnam as a turning point because after that, the US never really fought the same wars again. There was the Iran invasion by Saddam that was financed and armed by the US, then after that the hostage crisis, the grenada invasion, invasion of Panama, first Gulf War for Kuwait, destruction of Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, second invasion of Iraq, Libya in 2011… frankly the list goes on, I’ll just put it in a spoiler. It’s huge, and frankly I’m not even sure it’s exhaustive.
list of US military participation
U.S. Military Conflicts and Operations After Vietnam (1975–2026)
Note: This list focuses on named operations with significant combat, troop deployments, or airstrikes. Smaller evacuations, advisory missions, and cyber operations are omitted for brevity but follow the same pattern of frequent U.S. military engagements [web:29][web:35].
But we can see that after Vietnam, maybe even after World Ward 2 (!), they just stopped fighting against peer militaries. There was Iraq in 1991, armed by the US of course, but in my research I learned about the ‘Powell Doctrine’ and the ‘Revolution in Military Affairs’ (RMA), used against Iraq and others, which were about using overwhelming technological advantage to achieve swift, decisive victories. So this is how the US wants to fight in the first place. If you can prevent that blitz, then you can completely disarm them.
So that’s the first factor. As they stopped fighting against peer militaries that could take their planes down easily, that could bomb their bases, that could force their ships away from the theater, even someone who could bomb US territory like the Soviet Union could, they necessarily focused on different strategies. You need to find out guerilla troops for example, right? Their entire point is they try to hide, sometimes even in civilian populations (aside: in terms of para-military you also have the guerilla, and the resistance. The resistant has a day job, he looks and acts like a normal civilian, but he runs operations for the resistance). That’s why you see stuff like the Anduril helmet that ‘sees’ through walls (https://x.com/0xmitsurii/status/2039201367294955707). The way it works if you watch the video is soldiers and drones deployed in an area communicate together with this helmet and assets are marked for everyone as long as one of the devices can see it. So it doesn’t do X-ray vision, it’s more like a minimap with a tag mechanic. But regardless, that’s great for anti-guerilla operations! Not so much useful when your bases are being bombed by hypersonic missiles, or when you can bomb the data center that coordinates and computes all this tech. Too little too late as always.
Regardless, you still have a defense industry. The defense industry in the US was created for world war 2, because they needed to arm themselves quickly, so private contractors emerged and were strengthened. Eiseinhower was apparently the one who coined the term military industrial complex in 1961. These ‘contractors’, i.e. private businesses, still need to exist after the war though, because otherwise you have no real army capacity anymore. Especially as the US emerged as the imperial hegemon after the war over the world, they needed to expand this military to enforce their order, so that means more spending.
This leads to bloated spending. Yes the companies want to make money, but they also need to stay alive. You see this in construction in some places (I’m sure the US does it too), where the government hires them to fix stuff that doesn’t need fixing because we don’t need them that much, but they still want them to exist. Of course, this makes them a lot of money.
A company like Anduril doesn’t care about saving soldier lives. Not directly at least. They care about selling their product over the competition and making billions off of it.
And I don’t know if you saw that scandal, but the US military pays something like 30$ for a philipps-head screw that costs 50 cents at home depot. It’s the same screw, it’s just that contractors can charge a lot more because, again, the US has decided they need to exist and can’t be dismantled.
So spending bloats up, and the state stops fighting peer enemies and switches strategy to handling insurgency, guerilla tactics, etc. They take air superiority as a given, they take the defense of their bases as a given (they were never in any real danger in Iraq and Afghanistan), they take their ‘freedom’ of navigation as a given, being able to deploy their ships wherever they want, and build an entire system based on that. Aircraft carriers are now sitting ducks, though still heavily protected by an escort. A hypersonic would make short work of it if it can penetrate the envelope of defense at hyper speeds. Likewise the US doesn’t need hypersonics because they don’t normally fight adversaries that can intercept any missile - interception is really hard, I’ll give them that, and the US excels there compared to other militaries. We can point to Russia as a peer military but even they don’t have amazing interception capabilities.
But then we get into the operational and logistical question.
(first time I’ve hit character limit on lemmygrad I think lol)
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This is more complicated for me to answer, I’m not too deep into the operational side. But operationality is dwindling down year after year in the US army, probably because it’s expensive and they can’t justify the cost. At any time, they might have only 40-50% of their plane arsenal ready to depart. This is not huge, though you would rarely have 100% operationality. But again, they have not needed 80% operationality from their planes for a long time. Nobody in Libya was opposing their air superiority, they could fly freely. Nobody was opposing it in Afghanistan, they could fly freely.
As for rust, it’s deprioritized for other things. The US Army is clearly stretching thin. It can still attack and destroy, absolutely, but it’s being stretched. The Navy’s director of Ship Integrity and Performance Engineering has publicly admitted, “We know what to do, but we choose not to do it,” because corrosion is perpetually deprioritized for other problems.
Part of the operational problem is the MIC again. The Army buys new systems over upgrading/maintaining older ones, because that’s where the money is for the contractors. It’s possible to extend the life of a helicopter by 25 years after depot-level overhaul, but they buy a brand new one instead. Public depots get shafted in favor of new procurements from private contractors, and professionals leave and take their expertise with them. This is solved by policy, which the US technically has, but it’s not enough to fix it. They would need to really reign in the contractors and the army’s reliance on them. It’s a long, long process even if you made a law today.
Iran though has been building a fully or mostly domestic defense industry under the sanctions, so they have stuff that can target planes and helicopters. So they don’t fly freely over Iran. They have also, as others pointed out, studied how the US fights - and so have Russia and China (and perhaps this starts to explain why Russia is taking its time in Ukraine instead of trying to be faster than the US doctrines of blitzkrieg).
In terms of logistics, we could look at how they ship all of this stuff around the world (this is where a big navy necessarily comes in), but we also have to state the obvious, now, after 12 paragraphs: the US has stopped producing anything. They outsourced everything to China.
On the ground, this means Lockheed Martin only delivers 50-96 THAAD interceptor missiles (long-range interception) per year. You would use at least 2 per interception. You might say “but if this is their lifeline in terms of defense, wouldn’t you want to make 500 per year instead?” Yes, you would, and the US has contracted lockheed to ramp that up to I think 250 per year… by 2030. But they literally can’t. They don’t have the raw resources or the workforce for it. China controls most rare earths – rare earths themselves are not rare, what’s rare is extracting them from the soil.
China handles most rare earths processing - 70-90% of the world’s; the US and other countries might mine their own earths, but they send them to China for processing. And it’s not easy to scale up and increase yield of a given load of soil. And now, they have enacted export controls on rare earths to the US, so double whammy. China makes 90% of the world’s magnets, which are used in missiles and other target-seeking payloads.
With outsourced production, the US doesn’t even always have the knowledge to scale these things up. There’s entire methods of manufacturing we forgot because we’ve outsourced them for over 20, 30 years. You can see it right now not just in interceptors, but a LOT of stuff for the US defense contractors gets sourced from China. It’s short-sighted, but then again what else is capitalism but the chasing of short-term profits to ensure you continue to operate tomorrow?
edit: oh yeah I should add, we’re also working on ‘just in time’ logistics in the west, because storage is expensive. So it’s better for companies, not just in defense, to get rid of stock as quickly as possible and prevent storage build-up. This is why everything takes 2 weeks to ship to you, either as a consumer or a business buyer, and you can’t just walk out with specialized parts (you used to like with car parts, but not anymore). They need to order it, which means it needs to be made in the next batch that will be made and then shipped to them. 2 weeks.
this is why we are only ever 2 weeks away from crisis. we saw it in strikes, we saw it during covid, and we see it again in this war with fuel.
So tl;dr: US is fucked because it got too big, and it got too big because it needed to expand. many empires died the same way.
For over 30 years the US has only fought let’s say sub-peer militaries. Vietnam was a factor that prompted them to innovate briefly - we often think of Vietnamese soldiers as ‘farmers’ but no, it was a comprehensive, exhaustive, and almost peer military. They shot down planes all the time and led a two-prong strategy of guerilla and conventional (with the army in the north alongside what is referred to as the Viet Cong which was a mass front, i.e. federating all vietnamese into it regardless of affiliation, though under the command of the communist party). They were geniuses, you don’t win on grit alone.
The M16 and M4 were introduced in Vietnam for example (M4 after the war but based on Vietnam experience), and of course the extensive use of napalm and agent orange and new helicopters made for the theater. It might also very well have been the first US “forever war”.
But I would position Vietnam as a turning point because after that, the US never really fought the same wars again. There was the Iran invasion by Saddam that was financed and armed by the US, then after that the hostage crisis, the grenada invasion, invasion of Panama, first Gulf War for Kuwait, destruction of Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, second invasion of Iraq, Libya in 2011… frankly the list goes on, I’ll just put it in a spoiler. It’s huge, and frankly I’m not even sure it’s exhaustive.
list of US military participation
U.S. Military Conflicts and Operations After Vietnam (1975–2026)
1975–1979
1980–1989
1990–1999
2000–2009
2010–2019
2020–2026
Note: This list focuses on named operations with significant combat, troop deployments, or airstrikes. Smaller evacuations, advisory missions, and cyber operations are omitted for brevity but follow the same pattern of frequent U.S. military engagements [web:29][web:35].
(My note: web:20 is this link https://www.transcend.org/tms/2023/04/timeline-of-united-states-military-operations/)
But we can see that after Vietnam, maybe even after World Ward 2 (!), they just stopped fighting against peer militaries. There was Iraq in 1991, armed by the US of course, but in my research I learned about the ‘Powell Doctrine’ and the ‘Revolution in Military Affairs’ (RMA), used against Iraq and others, which were about using overwhelming technological advantage to achieve swift, decisive victories. So this is how the US wants to fight in the first place. If you can prevent that blitz, then you can completely disarm them.
So that’s the first factor. As they stopped fighting against peer militaries that could take their planes down easily, that could bomb their bases, that could force their ships away from the theater, even someone who could bomb US territory like the Soviet Union could, they necessarily focused on different strategies. You need to find out guerilla troops for example, right? Their entire point is they try to hide, sometimes even in civilian populations (aside: in terms of para-military you also have the guerilla, and the resistance. The resistant has a day job, he looks and acts like a normal civilian, but he runs operations for the resistance). That’s why you see stuff like the Anduril helmet that ‘sees’ through walls (https://x.com/0xmitsurii/status/2039201367294955707). The way it works if you watch the video is soldiers and drones deployed in an area communicate together with this helmet and assets are marked for everyone as long as one of the devices can see it. So it doesn’t do X-ray vision, it’s more like a minimap with a tag mechanic. But regardless, that’s great for anti-guerilla operations! Not so much useful when your bases are being bombed by hypersonic missiles, or when you can bomb the data center that coordinates and computes all this tech. Too little too late as always.
Regardless, you still have a defense industry. The defense industry in the US was created for world war 2, because they needed to arm themselves quickly, so private contractors emerged and were strengthened. Eiseinhower was apparently the one who coined the term military industrial complex in 1961. These ‘contractors’, i.e. private businesses, still need to exist after the war though, because otherwise you have no real army capacity anymore. Especially as the US emerged as the imperial hegemon after the war over the world, they needed to expand this military to enforce their order, so that means more spending.
This leads to bloated spending. Yes the companies want to make money, but they also need to stay alive. You see this in construction in some places (I’m sure the US does it too), where the government hires them to fix stuff that doesn’t need fixing because we don’t need them that much, but they still want them to exist. Of course, this makes them a lot of money.
A company like Anduril doesn’t care about saving soldier lives. Not directly at least. They care about selling their product over the competition and making billions off of it.
And I don’t know if you saw that scandal, but the US military pays something like 30$ for a philipps-head screw that costs 50 cents at home depot. It’s the same screw, it’s just that contractors can charge a lot more because, again, the US has decided they need to exist and can’t be dismantled.
So spending bloats up, and the state stops fighting peer enemies and switches strategy to handling insurgency, guerilla tactics, etc. They take air superiority as a given, they take the defense of their bases as a given (they were never in any real danger in Iraq and Afghanistan), they take their ‘freedom’ of navigation as a given, being able to deploy their ships wherever they want, and build an entire system based on that. Aircraft carriers are now sitting ducks, though still heavily protected by an escort. A hypersonic would make short work of it if it can penetrate the envelope of defense at hyper speeds. Likewise the US doesn’t need hypersonics because they don’t normally fight adversaries that can intercept any missile - interception is really hard, I’ll give them that, and the US excels there compared to other militaries. We can point to Russia as a peer military but even they don’t have amazing interception capabilities.
But then we get into the operational and logistical question.
Have you seen the pictures of rusty US ships?
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(first time I’ve hit character limit on lemmygrad I think lol)
continued:
This is more complicated for me to answer, I’m not too deep into the operational side. But operationality is dwindling down year after year in the US army, probably because it’s expensive and they can’t justify the cost. At any time, they might have only 40-50% of their plane arsenal ready to depart. This is not huge, though you would rarely have 100% operationality. But again, they have not needed 80% operationality from their planes for a long time. Nobody in Libya was opposing their air superiority, they could fly freely. Nobody was opposing it in Afghanistan, they could fly freely.
As for rust, it’s deprioritized for other things. The US Army is clearly stretching thin. It can still attack and destroy, absolutely, but it’s being stretched. The Navy’s director of Ship Integrity and Performance Engineering has publicly admitted, “We know what to do, but we choose not to do it,” because corrosion is perpetually deprioritized for other problems.
Part of the operational problem is the MIC again. The Army buys new systems over upgrading/maintaining older ones, because that’s where the money is for the contractors. It’s possible to extend the life of a helicopter by 25 years after depot-level overhaul, but they buy a brand new one instead. Public depots get shafted in favor of new procurements from private contractors, and professionals leave and take their expertise with them. This is solved by policy, which the US technically has, but it’s not enough to fix it. They would need to really reign in the contractors and the army’s reliance on them. It’s a long, long process even if you made a law today.
Iran though has been building a fully or mostly domestic defense industry under the sanctions, so they have stuff that can target planes and helicopters. So they don’t fly freely over Iran. They have also, as others pointed out, studied how the US fights - and so have Russia and China (and perhaps this starts to explain why Russia is taking its time in Ukraine instead of trying to be faster than the US doctrines of blitzkrieg).
In terms of logistics, we could look at how they ship all of this stuff around the world (this is where a big navy necessarily comes in), but we also have to state the obvious, now, after 12 paragraphs: the US has stopped producing anything. They outsourced everything to China.
On the ground, this means Lockheed Martin only delivers 50-96 THAAD interceptor missiles (long-range interception) per year. You would use at least 2 per interception. You might say “but if this is their lifeline in terms of defense, wouldn’t you want to make 500 per year instead?” Yes, you would, and the US has contracted lockheed to ramp that up to I think 250 per year… by 2030. But they literally can’t. They don’t have the raw resources or the workforce for it. China controls most rare earths – rare earths themselves are not rare, what’s rare is extracting them from the soil.
China handles most rare earths processing - 70-90% of the world’s; the US and other countries might mine their own earths, but they send them to China for processing. And it’s not easy to scale up and increase yield of a given load of soil. And now, they have enacted export controls on rare earths to the US, so double whammy. China makes 90% of the world’s magnets, which are used in missiles and other target-seeking payloads.
With outsourced production, the US doesn’t even always have the knowledge to scale these things up. There’s entire methods of manufacturing we forgot because we’ve outsourced them for over 20, 30 years. You can see it right now not just in interceptors, but a LOT of stuff for the US defense contractors gets sourced from China. It’s short-sighted, but then again what else is capitalism but the chasing of short-term profits to ensure you continue to operate tomorrow?
edit: oh yeah I should add, we’re also working on ‘just in time’ logistics in the west, because storage is expensive. So it’s better for companies, not just in defense, to get rid of stock as quickly as possible and prevent storage build-up. This is why everything takes 2 weeks to ship to you, either as a consumer or a business buyer, and you can’t just walk out with specialized parts (you used to like with car parts, but not anymore). They need to order it, which means it needs to be made in the next batch that will be made and then shipped to them. 2 weeks.
this is why we are only ever 2 weeks away from crisis. we saw it in strikes, we saw it during covid, and we see it again in this war with fuel.
So tl;dr: US is fucked because it got too big, and it got too big because it needed to expand. many empires died the same way.