Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
Sure. Sure, I’m orthodox, and yet out of two of us I seem to be the only one willing to be convinced I might be wrong or missing information.
Like talking to a wall.
Bankrupt country. Forced to repay old loans to be able to make new ones. The poverty rates skyrocketed for 5 years. Then it became lower than during most of USSR occupation.
Go fucking grab a Polish source from the USSR occupied Poland.
Fuck, I can name some for you, you just need to go to the damn library because I no longer have it at my home:
And read fucking there the poverty rate in Poland by Polish standards in the 1980 were oscillating between 10 and 26% depending on the year in PPP.
In 1989 it was about 15% IIRC (other source obviously).
Now it’s been > 5% for ~two decades in the source you linked previously?
Dude. That was outside USSR. We were inside. The sources from that era I cited were from inside the USSR.
I’m willling to be convinced with compelling enough evidence.
Poverty rates lowered as Poland integrated into the imperialists, and was heavily flooded with EU support to serve as a “shining example” of capitalism fixing socialism. Further, I did, Dorothy Douglas lived in Poland for a time during socialism.
You’re repeating the same dogma, though. Strikes are evidence of supporting overthrowing socialism, whereas if they hadn’t striked then you would say that was due to oppression. You proceed from “soviets bad” and twist everything to fit your narrative. I’ve spoken to Polish communists like @[email protected] and have read enough on the subject to know that you aren’t painting a complete picture.
Why would you even call me into the thread full of reactionaries and especially the one debate pervert who is know for bad faith anticommunism ever since their nasty ass drifted here from reddit. 😩
I’m sorry comrade, didn’t mean to call you into here, if anything just treat it like slop to view and dip!
No problem, there’s definitely a lot of slop here.
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That’s fairly creepy of you, is entirely conjecture, and they aren’t the only Polish communists I know. That’s a complete non-sequitor.
And claiming you know Polish communists, and thus your arguments are valid is argumentum ad verecundiam (I also know latin :P)
And you sound like the USians who say “I have black friends”.
That’s not my argument, though, you took us down this path.
Brachu, brzmisz zupełnie jak pisowskie trolle na onecie, do tego twoje debatowe zboczenie osiągnęło ekstremalne wyżyny. Tym samym tokiem rozumowania ja bym mógł udowodnić że ty jesteś Polakiem, bo wszsytkie twoje siermiężne ipn-owskie wypociny brzmią zupełnie jak z najgorszych otchłani kucowskiego polskiego internetu. Poza tym po jakiemu ty kurwa chcesz żebym pisał w angielskim internecie? Na koncie które jest specjalnie utworzone do tego? Puknij się w czerep i to bardzo mocno jakimś tępym narzędziem, ulepszysz odrobinę świat.
Chociaż muszę przyznać że mnie odrobinę rozmieszyłeś opinią że żaden Polak nie zna ani trochę języka niemieckiego ani nie umie używać translatora.
Przynajmniej nie pierdolę jakto fajnie było być pod zaborem ZSSR i umiem czytać statystyki biedy w Polsce z lat 70 i 80?
Jak tu trafiłeś? Wezwany na pomoc przez kolegę?
Lol ślepy strzał i proszę, trafiony zatopiony. A na lemmy byłem jakieś 20 razy dłużej niż ty desanciku.
Do dyskusji, nie na portal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_W._Douglas
This Dorothy Douglas? On whom there’s no information anywhere that she ever left the USA, yet lived in Poland?
If the other people you talked to share your sources then you might’ve been catfished or in an echo chamber?
Wikipedia doesn’t contain all human knowledge, and is frequently wrong or missing info. Read the first few pages.
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Yea I figured.
Interesting. I will try to look for anything corroborating that, because she was famously suspected to be a “Red” in the USA and she would’ve had her passport revoked.
And the only Western economist that officially was invited to Poland in 1948 was Oskar Lange.
Pugwash conferences started in 57.
To have access to any economic data she would have to be approved by the USSR in 1948 and then likely she would have to be on the exit visa list, on which she is not - in 1949 there are 3 Americans of which she is neither.
So if she were in Poland in 1948 or 1949 , with access to economic data, and left the USSR in 1949 she was better than Mata Hari. Good for her.