The comments here on this Lemmy post can serve as a perfect demonstration for the reason behind men turning right-wing. Any comment trying to point out some specific aspect of life where men are experiencing more hardships is immediately shut off and getting told these experiences and concerns are invalid.
There is a limit to how much “fuck you” one can hear before going “well, fuck you too”.
I mean I’m on the left and even I’m getting tired of hearing how all men are trash, which seems to be the only message about men I hear. Young men are only being courted by the right, and the left doesn’t seem to care or even seems proud about it.
Young boys are exposed to near constant right wing internet programming and are increasingly attacking girls in school, verbally and physically, starting as early as elementary school.
Combine that with largely apathetic and inattentive parents + very few male teachers and school is becoming an absolute nightmare for everybody
This essentially reflects the rise in incel school shooters except these young men just grow up to become bitter right wing misogynistic bigots instead. They have nowhere to go but right
A few incels snuck into this comment section
If “the left” called you “a bigot” or “sexist” or “isn’t letting you find a wife” you’re probably a sexist bigot no one would touch with a 10-foot pole.
Every damn time “men’s issues” come up there’s like 100 dudes saying one of the issues is “can’t find a wife”. We all know what that means. Go jerk off. Politics is above you.
My favorite are the incels on reddit et al that talk about how family courts are stacked against them and that the women leave them and “take everything”
I worked as a family lawyer before, men didn’t even show up in 9/10 cases.
I don’t think this is factual. I think there are many reasons why families have declined.
I think toxic podcasts have a big influence on young men, especially those who grew up without strong father figures. My own dad wasn’t perfect (I joke a bit about it on my profile), and many of us went through that risky “2015 phase” of consuming unhealthy online content.
What many politicians and advocates on the left often overlook is that toxic masculinity isn’t solved by telling men to be “less masculine.” You can actually counter unhealthy masculinity with healthy masculinity. Instead of shaming men, we should be teaching a better version of manhood one that includes therapy, emotional intelligence, and being able to talk honestly about what’s going on inside.
As corny as it sounds there’s a reason when there’s a bad take by a misinformed feminist calling all men evil on twitter ganders a response like “This is why men turn right” and sure while that stuff doesn’t work on me anymore, It’s not 2015-2016 there’s still some vulnerable people that unfortunately fall for it, does that mean though that the feminist is wrong in her views? Not really, but I’m not talking about myself I’m talking about a lot of men that do fall for it.
Most working-class men who grind through 9–5 jobs, going from shift to shift, are worried about affordability and stability. If someone comes along and says “I’m going to make your life easier,” that’s who they’ll vote for even if it’s Trump. You can call them naïve or say the leopards ate their face or whatever , but the reality is that many of these men are desperate for change. And they’ll keep voting for whoever promises that change. When society pushes these men aside or dismisses them, some end up looking for someone to blame. That’s when you get people saying, “Women are the reason my life is hard,” or “Jews control everything.”
Of course, some people are genuinely racist or sexist, and there will always be trolls who just want attention. But why do those trolls exist in the first place? Often it’s because they feel insignificant, and attaching themselves to extreme movements gives them a sense of identity and purpose they don’t have otherwise.
The joke is on the right-wing men. Good luck finding female partners. Also, the best time to be a left leaning progressive guy.
As a man I would genuinely like to thank women for holding the torch of progressivism.
This means that left-leaning men will raise happier families, while the incel-aligned will have their own bloodlines end in deserved extinction. 🎉
This is how the entwives ended up getting lost.
And they will never be found because they don’t call themselves “entwives”
Wtf is an entwife
That talking tree in lord of the Rings was named Treebeard. He spoke about how the time of the ents was ending because the entwives had left and could not be found.
I have had my share of struggles and hardship, definitely not the worst anyone’s had it, but enough to empathize I think. I lived in a camper for 5 years, was lucky to have that tbh. Shit jobs, shit pay, no respect. I live in the boonies so I work with all these guys. I’m a white straight guy too, so I pass, and I get to sit with them while they share their terrible opinions.
I guess what I mean to say is that somehow the exact experiences that are turning these man children into hateful far right weirdos have happened to me. Somehow I went hard to the left instead. I wasn’t a “radical” before I moved out here, it’s a response to the last 10 years mostly. Was it because I was raised differently? Probably, my mother is one of the most compassionate people I’ve known, and selfishness was ‘punished’ when I was young. Was it the psychedelics? Also probably. There are lots of other experiences that I know most of these guys haven’t had that helped me be a better person, travel, volunteer work I had to do, I’m sure I am forgetting a lot. But what helps me understand also makes it more difficult to excuse. A lot of these guys have had every opportunity I have, some a lot more. It’s difficult to listen to somebody that has had a chance at promotion complain about their pay, for an analogy that comes from reality. When I also know so many other groups of people are flat denied that opportunity. They don’t have solidarity because they are selfish. I think that’s what it boils down to.
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Dumb fools who have no one decent to look up to end up blaming women for it, so move right. Women don’t want anything to do with dumb fools who want to take away their rights, so move left.
Sure, it is only this simple and you are very smart.
OPs comment was not very constructively phrased… But it actually pretty much is that simple.
However, most right-leaning young men will not be brave enough to actually ask women their opinions on divisive issues, and open enough to listen and consider their own assumptions could be wrong (‘maybe my dad is a misogynist… maybe I was raised to believe things that just aren’t accurate’). Those ideas are confronting and take a lot of emotional maturity.
I agree with you.
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The good news, I guess, is that people can get better. I was one of those people who moved further right in young adulthood. I’m glad the social media and such didn’t exist then as I was not equipped to handle that by my upbringing and would have fallen right into that trap. We just had Limbaugh and Beck and the like. At some point, I pulled a 180 and, now in my mid-40s, find myself probably somewhere around center-left to left as most western European countries might define that.
My teen observed …… guys are more likely to appreciate edgy, crude or offensive humor. Guys are more likely to be entertained by those assholes, even if they don’t agree with their message
You boys better start getting real into fucking each other
South Korea, what the fuck?
The flaws in their culture, where they’re expected to be invaded by North Korea at anytime, and nearly all the males – even pop stars – are also expected to do military service. Of course the men have become deeply reactionary, what with anti-communist propaganda heavily embedded throughout, and they’re not happy with South Korean women being more assertive now than 50 years ago.
It’s not helping that South Korea is so much of a horrifyingly thinly-disguised corporate dystopia.
where they’re expected to be invaded by North Korea at anytime
it could be noted, maybe, that in case of a war, probably only men would have to go to the frontline. so much for equality.
From the article:
The #MeToo movement was the key trigger, giving rise to fiercely feminist values among young women who felt empowered to speak out against long-running injustices. That spark found especially dry tinder in South Korea, where gender inequality remains stark, and outright misogyny is common.
In the country’s 2022 presidential election, while older men and women voted in lockstep, young men swung heavily behind the right-wing People Power party, and young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers.
Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two. Its marriage rate has plummeted, and birth rate has fallen precipitously, dropping to 0.78 births per woman in 2022, the lowest of any country in the world.
Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion, the gender divergence in attitudes has become self-sustaining. Survey data show that in many countries the ideological differences now extend beyond this issue. The clear progressive-vs-conservative divide on sexual harassment appears to have caused — or at least is part of — a broader realignment of young men and women into conservative and liberal camps respectively on other issues.
young women backed the liberal Democratic party in almost equal and opposite numbers
This is only partially true. The key swing vote in the election, that handed Trump the win were; 40+year old white women without a college education. Until this election, that group was almost entirely in the Democrat camp, but went full MAGA.
The youth vote only has a small turnout, with voting patterns locked into geographic regions, there wasn’t too much unexpected that happened with the youth vote.
Be skeptical of recent survey data, reflection on this past election, or any survey data for that matter, especially in a Medium article.This quote comes from the graph’s source article from the FT. They are talking about South Korea and not the US.
The author is discussing several countries, including the U.S.A., saying that it is the same trend for each. So yest they are implying the US.
What they are explicitly saying, and not implying at all is, “Korea’s is an extreme situation, but it serves as a warning to other countries of what can happen when young men and women part ways. Its society is riven in two.”
They are not implying the specifics of how the election unfolded in South Korea bears clear resemblance to the US like you stated.
This is a silly discussion because you did read the FT article, speculated wildly, and now are defending your bad take with a vague and baffling two sentence defense. Construct an actual argument.
It’s a shitty article, that uses shitty polling data.
What it means to be lib vs. con in different time periods and different countries is a complex question. I guarantee you that in absolute terms, white boys from the Midwest are much less racist than they were 40 years ago.It misses the biggest swing from lib to conservative that happened, that older white women, without a college education, flipped to conservative, from consistently voting Democrat.
The article implicitly is trying to cast blame on young white boys, turning conservative, and therefore pushing the country into being regressive. It misses that the biggest regressive block are still the elderly white folk, and that that block is also the biggest voting block.
Both the articles were written in January 2024, ten months before the election. They weren’t analyzing the 2024 elections. There is no possibiliy of mentioning elderly white folks ev
They never mention whiteness anywhere in either article and the FT article is explicitly a global take mentioning Germany, UK, South Korea, Tunisia, and China.
There is nothing in the FT article implicitly or explicitly blaming “young white boys”. It is saying that when there is an ideological gap between young men and women, it has sociological implications.
I agree that the larger media narrative blames young white men’s regressive turn for the Trump presidential win and not elderly white folks or white Gen X women, but this is not that article.
This makes no sense. Since when do countries other than the US exist?
The article is referring to South Korea, the United States, Germany, and the United Kingdom, 4 countries. I’d argue that the youth vote never really mattered to turn these elections. You have to examine who actually voted, turned out to the ballot box.
Seven years on from the initial #MeToo explosion
it’s crazy to me that that was as late as 2018. i definitely felt that circulating in school in 2012.
So what the article is saying is, saying “sexual harrassment/assault is bad” radicalized all the men?
