• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    No, Lenin was not a genocidal dictator. Additionally, whether you agree with his contributions to Marxism or not, he remains the most influential Marxist of the 20th century, every major Marxist org since Lenin has been influenced by his analysis of Imperialism, the State, and Revolution, whether it be via accepting them, or deliberately rejecting them.

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      3 months ago

      Lenin was not a genocidal dictator

      He wasn’t, but the fact that his system was so easily taken over by someone who was should be reason enough to distrust ML.

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      3 months ago

      No, Lenin was not a genocidal dictator.

      You could dispute the genocidal bit but you cannot in good faith argue that the communist party wasn’t dictatorial.

      Additionally, whether you agree with his contributions to Marxism or not, he remains the most influential Marxist of the 20th century, every major Marxist org since Lenin has been influenced by his analysis of Imperialism

      And I believe the OPs point is that that’s a bad thing.

      We shouldn’t be basing our politics and imagery today off the guy who fucked socialism for a century.

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        3 months ago

        You could dispute the genocidal bit but you cannot in good faith argue that the communist party wasn’t dictatorial.

        In what manner was the Communist Party “dictatorial?” It held immense power, yes, but it wasn’t 1 dude deciding everything, there was worker participation in how it ran and the party itself was democratically run. There was corruption, yes, but it wasn’t a dictatorship either.

        And I believe the OPs point is that that’s a bad thing.

        We shouldn’t be basing our politics and imagery today off the guy who fucked socialism for a century.

        How, exactly, did Lenin “fuck socialism for a century?”

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          In what manner was the Communist Party “dictatorial?” It held immense power, yes, but it wasn’t 1 dude deciding everything,

          Ah yes, as long as there is at least 2 dudes deciding everything it’s not a dictatorship.

          there was worker participation in how it ran and the party itself was democratically run.

          As long as you liked the way that the party wanted things to be, yes.

          How, exactly, did Lenin “fuck socialism for a century?”

          His party went on to encourage other revolutionary groups to adapt the anti-socialist Leninist-Stalinist structure, at times actively sabotaging socialist movements that were structured differently.

          In those times you either fell behind the ML party line or had no support from the international movement, the russian communists absolutely fucked it all up.