It will be Project 2029 after this election. Yes, vote for the democrats, but if you think positive change will happen just by voting then you haven’t learned anything from leftist predecessors.
Actual, meaningful change can only happen when the state is at a legitimate state of strain, from outside revolutionary pressure, whether that be from mass worker strikes, protests, or other such upheavels of the status quo.
No, the state will get worse regardless. I want people to strike, unionize, organize, and pressure the state as best they can, and I do believe revolution is the best way to get there, but I don’t think the path there is to intentionally vote for bad policy so everyone suffers even more, lol.
Like I said, I will almost certainly be voting for Biden, but the idea that Biden is “slow, positive change” cannot be the prevailing thought process if we want actual change to occur. Biden is slow, negative change while Trump is fast negative change.
So the path forward is killing people? Because that’s what revolution entails. Once the killings start they tend to be indiscriminate and less about idealism than consolidating power. There’s a long history of revolution, and I can’t think of a single one that didn’t go off the rails and devolve into insanity. What makes this revolution you’re dreaming about different?
You certainly can, by actually fucking voting. Not in a single election, granted, but over time. Currently we’re choosing between fascist theocracy and democracy, because people who don’t want to live in a fascist theocracy won’t fucking vote. When they do vote, and fascist theocracy is no longer a viable position, we get to choose between corrupt capitalist democracy or social democracy.
I do vote. I have voted Democrat, and I will lilely still vote Democrat. Me voting Democrat will not make the Democrats move to the left, they will continue to be right-wingers because there is no leftist party and no reason for the Democrats to move left when they get their funding from large businesses and wealthy Capitalists.
We are choosing between fascism and liberalism. The reason this is an issue is not because “leftists don’t vote,”* it’s because the only parties that will ever be in power are parties that court wealthy Capitalists.
Even Social Democracy, while certainly better, would still repeat the same Capitalist decay. I would still vote for a Social Democrat over a Democrat, but I would still push for outside pressure like striking, unionizing, and straining the system so the will of the people will be upheld.
It will be Project 2029 after this election. Yes, vote for the democrats, but if you think positive change will happen just by voting then you haven’t learned anything from leftist predecessors.
Actual, meaningful change can only happen when the state is at a legitimate state of strain, from outside revolutionary pressure, whether that be from mass worker strikes, protests, or other such upheavels of the status quo.
“Hey, if we let Republicans destroy our country, it will actually help us in the long run. Trust me bro.”
Yeah fuck that bullshit.
When did I say that? Never. I said Biden isn’t a positive change, you cannot get positive change electorally, so you need outside pressure.
Voting Democrat is what I am most likely going to do, I am just not delusional enough to think he will reverse Capitalism’s decay.
I took this to mean that you want the State to get worse so people will start a revolution. Maybe I misunderstood.
No, the state will get worse regardless. I want people to strike, unionize, organize, and pressure the state as best they can, and I do believe revolution is the best way to get there, but I don’t think the path there is to intentionally vote for bad policy so everyone suffers even more, lol.
Like I said, I will almost certainly be voting for Biden, but the idea that Biden is “slow, positive change” cannot be the prevailing thought process if we want actual change to occur. Biden is slow, negative change while Trump is fast negative change.
So the path forward is killing people? Because that’s what revolution entails. Once the killings start they tend to be indiscriminate and less about idealism than consolidating power. There’s a long history of revolution, and I can’t think of a single one that didn’t go off the rails and devolve into insanity. What makes this revolution you’re dreaming about different?
Revolution is the only way to meaningfully change whichever class is in power. It does not need to be violent, it can take on any number of forms.
Can you give an example of when a revolution wasn’t violent? Just one. Ever. In the history of humanity?
You certainly can, by actually fucking voting. Not in a single election, granted, but over time. Currently we’re choosing between fascist theocracy and democracy, because people who don’t want to live in a fascist theocracy won’t fucking vote. When they do vote, and fascist theocracy is no longer a viable position, we get to choose between corrupt capitalist democracy or social democracy.
I do vote. I have voted Democrat, and I will lilely still vote Democrat. Me voting Democrat will not make the Democrats move to the left, they will continue to be right-wingers because there is no leftist party and no reason for the Democrats to move left when they get their funding from large businesses and wealthy Capitalists.
We are choosing between fascism and liberalism. The reason this is an issue is not because “leftists don’t vote,”* it’s because the only parties that will ever be in power are parties that court wealthy Capitalists.
Even Social Democracy, while certainly better, would still repeat the same Capitalist decay. I would still vote for a Social Democrat over a Democrat, but I would still push for outside pressure like striking, unionizing, and straining the system so the will of the people will be upheld.