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      Seriously, it’s just right-wing exploitative language. And yet, it’s the same left-leaning outlets repeating it again and again.

      I wish there were more bold takedowns and real accountability, but it’s all so watered down now. Less like a pile driver and more like a sternly worded memo.

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    AOC recently voted in favour of an ADL supported definition of “anti-semitism”.

    So I’m sorry but whatever leftwing sounding stuff she says has to be assumed to be purely theatre, same as when the DNC assholes claim to care about workers, the poor or minorities.

    You can’t be a Leftwinger and support ethno-Fascists like the Zionists at the same time, so one has to conclude from her own actions that AOC’s “leftwing character” is purelly performative and basically the ideology-free business strategy of crafting an image that differentiates oneself from the competition whilst not in fact being any different.

    Whomever is the inheritor of Bernie’s politics, it ain’t her.

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      I am getting real sick and tired of fake-leftist concern trolls pushing bad-faith purity test rhetoric.

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      I understand why you might not agree with her but seeing things in such black and white in what got Trump elected a 2nd time.

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        Mate, if somebody is willing to cross any and all lines, they don’t really have Principles - they’re practicing that good old Marxist (the Groucho rather than the Karl) adage of “These are my Principles. If you don’t like them, I have others”.

        Maybe I’m naive, but in my view a genuine Leftwinger must have Principles and hence red lines, not just talk the talk whilst not walking the walk - in other words, be more than a self-promoting salesman, since a self-promoting salesman is really just a “personal upside maximizer” which is just another way of saying a follower of the “What’s in it for me?!” right-wing mindset.

        Again, in my naivity, I see actual direct support for the desires of a ethno-Fascist ideology - Zionism - currently mass murdering children due to their ethnicity, as a red line that nobody with even the smallest shred of Humanitarian Principles would cross.

        (I can understand the “I’m not absolutelly sure” statement of abstaining, but activelly voting for it is something else altogether).

        In a way, I think you almost got there but just stopped short of following the last step in the logical chain: Trump did got elected a second time because of this shit, not because of the people complaining about the politicians who say one thing and do something else, but because almost all politicians are doing it including so many self-proclaimed leftwing ones, so the word of politicians is all worth the same in the eyes of anybody who is not a fully indoctrinated party tribalist and in such an environment a populist shamelessly lying can swindle a lot more people than in an environment were dishonesty in politicians isn’t as widespread and normalized and hence would get punished - in other words, both the election of a shameless lying populist like Trump AND people complaining about dishonest and hypocrite self-proclaimed leftwing politicians are the product of the same things: the normalization of dishonesty in Politics.

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          You’re not wrong about the dishonesty and hypocrisy—it has poisoned the well across the board. A politician without red lines or real principles isn’t on the left, no matter what they call themselves.

          But where we differ is in how we respond to that reality. As much as I agree with your point, I have to take a more pragmatic view. Not voting against Trump is part of how we got Trump. Sitting it out or refusing to engage just hands power to the worst option.

          I hate the choices as much as anyone. It’s a shit sandwich. But I’d rather work with what I’ve got and try to make it suck less than give the whole table over to outright fascism.

          I’ll keep calling out the hypocrisy, and I’ll keep pushing from the left—but I won’t step aside and let something far worse win by default. Idealism has to live in the real world, or it ends up serving the very thing it claims to resist.

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            Chose a faker like AOC to be the Democrat candidate and you’re just switching the swindlers, thus maintaing the climated of “say one thing do something else” political dishonesty that leaves the door open for another Trump-like populist to win next time around.

            If I was an American in American I would be working my ass off in the Democrat Primaries and even at local level, including guerrila political propaganda tactics, to make sure that the real leftwingers were being pushed forwards in large numbers at that level and doing all I could to screw the AIPAC supported candidates, since continuing the Democract strategy of fielding liars and hypocrites is only going to make sure that the Trump problem happens again and again and again until one day one of them finally succeeds in becoming dictator for life.

            I mean, surelly Democrats learned from Trump’s second victory that “more of the same” isn’t a solution for far-right polulism.

            Right?!

            Right?!..

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          Mate,

          How about you mind your own business since it’s a pretty fair guess to say you cannot vote in my country.

          Unless I’m wrong, in which case, carry on.

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    If my representatives fought this proposal, calling them does no good.

    So how do we find out if our reps approved of it? Those are the reps that need to be replaced. I feel like there’s no easy way to find out whether my reps approved of a prop

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    I understand the issue. It’s clear. What I don’t understand is this article focusing on Ocasio-Cortez’s “by the light of day” comment.

    Are people watching these proceedings live on C-Span with their hand on the phone ready to call their congressperson’s office? If Republicans pushed this through “during the light of day,” would it make any actual difference? Why can’t congresspersons challenge this in the middle of the night? Does Ocasio-Cortez think Republican constituents will be making those calls to change the minds of their politicians? 🤔

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      Republican voters are way more engaged than Democrat or progressive voters. Any day of the week.

      It’s why they have so much more content, content creators and social media presence. They put in the work. But not just put in the work. They target specific areas that are effective for either changing public opinion or applying pressure to government to get their issue across.

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        They put in the work because the oligarchs are aligned with them, so they have a basically unlimited firehose of money to pay people to shill for them.

        Meanwhile, leftists have to rely on volunteer labor.

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          I really hate Meidas touch. It’s clickbait titles going on about nothingburger events. “Trump slammed” “republicans make catastrophic mistake” “Republican makes career ending move” Its just a left wing version of Info Wars

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            Make up your mind. Either the left competes with the right or you just sit and complain how they don’t compete with the right enough. And I disagree with nothing burger. The DOJ keeps getting wiped in court. And the congress is scrappy, dems are tripping the magamind congress into admitting mistakes. And you’ll need this exposure for the midterms so people know exactly what kind of scum their rep is.

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      This is classic language to pacify you, to make you think someone is out there speaking and a fighting on your behalf.

      They’re literally attacking Medicare? Don’t worry AOC is putting the GOP in their place, she’s SLAMMING them and ripping them a new one!

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        I think you are overestimating just how much constituents are invested in what their politicians actually do

        Many many many persons feel the side effects, the burn, of their elected politicians deviating from what they hoped. And yet each election cycle, these politicians continue to be voted in.

        I mean, they get mad, but mad enough to watch C-Span and make calls…? 😅

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          I guess but it has been many years of them feeling the burn from their own party. Can’t tell if any of them are waking up or not.

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            Honestly, they’re not.

            I hate to say it, but the system needs to crash and burn for people to wake up. I need and want to avoid that at all costs, but some people… most people… don’t seem to be able to learn without it.

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            It’s been a slow burn, like a frog in boiling water, with policies mostly affecting younger people. The Heritage Foundation came up with a detailed 50 year plan in 1973 to completely take over the country to make it more corporate and Christian, and we’ve been seeing that play out ever since Reagan.

            Second Thought has a good video about them here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eeCPRD0Hgg