Clarification Edit: for people who speak English natively and are learning a second language

  • FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 months ago

    Well, I suppose it made me realise how useless articles are in a statement.

    «где здесь кинотеатр?» (where here movie theatre?)

    “where is the movie theatre around here?”

    Without articles the point comes across in a much simpler form. that being said, a lot of other languages also have a terrifyingly complex case system or pointlessly gendered language or both. I don’t think any language is “broken” but they all definitely have quirks.

    • fireweed@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Learning Japanese (especially colloquial Japanese) also gives me a strong “why waste time say lot word, when few word do trick” vibes. Articles? Don’t exist. Prepositions? Only if you want to sound like a dweeb. Subjects/Objects? Used unnecessarily you’ll change the meaning of the sentence.

      “Went” is a complete sentence in Japanese.

      • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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        5 months ago

        My friend told me that a whole lot of Japanese sentences are literally just exclamations of an adjective or adverb and apparently that’s enough for most Japanese folks to intuit an entire sentence of meaning.

        • fireweed@lemmy.world
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          5 months ago

          That’s a funny way to put it but pretty accurate. Like, you see a cat walk up to you and you exclaim かわいい! (= cute). You wouldn’t say “that cat is cute!” or “what a cute cat!” like you would in English. Because if you did say the word-for-word Japanese equivalent あの猫がかわいい it implies something like “that cat is cute, unlike all the other cats,” because why would you go through the trouble of saying all those words that were obvious from context unless you were trying to call out this cat specifically?

      • Kiosade@lemmy.ca
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        5 months ago

        I think about how some languages like Japanese are like this, and then I think about how stereotypical “caveman” grammar in English is kind of structured like those languages, and I get a little uncomfortable at the implications…

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          5 months ago

          Sure, but “fridge” is a sentence fragment, not a complete sentence. 行った (“went”) is a complete sentence. You don’t need a subject or an object in Japanese, whereas you need at least a subject in English (e.g. “He went”)