• UnculturedSwine@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    23 days ago

    This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they’re being threatened with contempt.

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      23 days ago

      I fear the majority of trigger-pullers are pro-trump and pro-deportation, no matter where they live. I fear that “revolution” will entail the United States’ progressives getting absolutely brutalized until the regime seizes total control.

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      23 days ago

      You’re not wrong, but this has nothing to do with the armed forces. I went down a rabbit hole at one point regarding what a “duly sworn” officer is. My conclusion was that if a judge needed to have someone arrested, they can reach out to any public police officer who has sworn an oath to the Constitution. Each state has its own groups of duly sworn law enforcement officers, and if a Federal judge doesn’t trust the US Marshals (who are part of the DoJ) they can likely reach our to State or local police to enforce their orders.

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        23 days ago

        That’s the problem. If a deputized officer that is part of a local police force or national guard ends up having to arrest members of the DoJ, it could result in a standoff and give an excuse to our Cheeto in chief to declare martial law. I really fucking hope that doesn’t happen or that our generals force him to back down but I very much see that as a possibility.

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          23 days ago

          I mean, you do understand that the Judiciary being the ones to push back is the only legal & constitutional route we can get out of this, right?

          I hate to say it, but while Trump himself is pretty weak and just in it to save himself & for money, many of the people around him want nothing but power. And they are using Trump for that since he somehow continues to enthrall the populous.

          Besides hoping the administration willingly decides to stop & undo the things it’s doing, I personally think the judiciary pushing back is the only thing you should hope for. In my eyes, it is the only path left with any chance of nonviolence, besides again, a willing change.

          Do you have an alternative for me?

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      23 days ago

      Qualified immunity applies to the executive branch, not to the judiciary. Cops aren’t getting arrested for this.