“If you want to do anything that is disruptive, the penalty is pretty massive now, and so these draconian laws mean it is hard to get very much pressure … by following the kind of things that [Extinction Rebellion] and JSO have done in the past, because people will be arrested and put away for a long time,” he said.
‘A new phase’: why climate activists are turning to sabotage instead of protest (The Guardian, two weeks ago)