cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25011462
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE
This Act may be cited as the ‘‘Decoupling America’s Artificial Intelligence Capabilities from China Act of 2025’’.
SEC. 3. PROHIBITIONS ON IMPORT AND EXPORT OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE OR GENERATIVE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TECHNOLOGY OR INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY
(a) PROHIBITION ON IMPORTATION.—On and after the date that is 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the importation into the United States of artificial intelligence or generative artificial intelligence technology or intellectual property developed or produced in the People’s Republic of China is prohibited.
Currently, China has the best open source models in text, video and music generation.
None of the code and training data is available. Its just the usual Huggingface thing, where some weights and parameters are available, nothing else. People repeat DeepSeek (and many other) Ai LLM models being open source, but they aren’t.
They even have a Github source code repository at https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1 , but its only an image and PDF file and links to download the model on Huggingface (plus optional weights and parameter files, to fine tune it). There is no source code, and no training data available. Also here is an interesting article talking about this issue: Liesenfeld, Andreas, and Mark Dingemanse. “Rethinking open source generative AI: open washing and the EU AI Act.” The 2024 ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency. 2024
This literally took one click: https://github.com/deepseek-ai
Stop spreading FUD.
Where’s the training data?
Does open sourcing require you to give out the training data? I thought it only means allowing access to the source code so that you could build it yourself and feed it your own training data.
Open source requires giving whatever digital information is necessary to build a binary.
In this case, the “binary” are the network weights, and “whatever is necessary” includes both training data, and training code.
DeepSeek is sharing:
In other words: a good amount of open source… with a huge binary blob in the middle.
Is there any good LLM that fits this definition of open source, then? I thought the “training data” for good AI was always just: the entire internet, and they were all ethically dubious that way.
What is the concern with only having weights? It’s not abritrary code exectution, so there’s no security risk or lack of computing control that are the usual goals of open source in the first place.
To me the weights are less of a “blob” and more like an approximate solution to an NP-hard problem. Training is traversing the search space, and sharing a model is just saying “hey, this point looks useful, others should check it out”. But maybe that is a blob, since I don’t know how they got there.
There are several “good” LLMs trained on open datasets like FineWeb, LAION, DataComp, etc. They are still “ethically dubious”, but at least they can be downloaded, analyzed, filtered, and so on. Unfortunately businesses are keeping datasets and training code as a competitive advantage, even "Open"AI stopped publishing them when they saw an opportunity to make money.
Unless one plugs it into an agent… which is kind of the use we expect right now.
Accessing the web, or even web searches, is already equivalent to arbitrary code execution: an LLM could decide to, for example, summarize and compress some context full of trade secrets, then proceed to “search” for it, sending it to wherever it has access to.
Agents can also be allowed to run local commands… again a use we kind of want now (“hey Google, open my alarms” on a smartphone).
Then use those as training data. You’re too caught up on this exacting definition of open source that you’ll completely ignore the benefits of what this model could provide.
That’s not how LLMs work, and you know it. A model of weights is not a lossless compression algorithm.
Also, if you’re giving an LLM free reign to all of your session tokens and security passwords, that’s on you.
https://www.piratewires.com/p/compression-prompts-gpt-hidden-dialects
There are more trade secrets than session tokens and security passwords. People want AI agents to summarize their local knowledge base and documents, then expand it with updated web searches. No passwords needed when the LLM can order the data to be exfiltrated directly.