Although personally in favor of Palestinian independence and critical of war crimes committed by Israel in its siege of Gaza, I attempted to explain in a back-and-forth discussion with a user (only afterwards learning was one of the community’s two moderators) why protest voting in the 2024 election to “punish” the democrats in favor of the republicans harmed the ultimate interest of reigning in Israeli violence in Palestine.
To further emphasize the damage caused by such a protest vote, I argued that not only is Palestine worse off with Trump elected instead of Harris, but as are a myriad of other social issues. The other user disagreed, arguing that Trump’s return to office facilitated the ceasefire, rather than my argument that Netanyahu deliberately delayed it to help Trump get elected.
After my fourth reply post in a reply chain that stemmed from my initial reply to the moderator’s comment, I was banned from [email protected]. Having at no point advocated in favor of the violence perpetuated by Israel in Gaza, I think the ban was unjustified, and demonstrates a bad precedent for maintaining echo chambers of moderator opinions, rather than communities that foster discussion.
If it is worth anything I acknowledge that I can’t mod the community on my own anymore and I am looking for mods. The thread that lead to the massive bans had users tacitly or blatantly celebrating the genocide and how worse it might get for Palestinians in the future.
Apply here: https://lemm.ee/post/53822281
I am also willing to handover the community entirely and become a normal member. I’m too emotionally invested in the cause. Not sure how to do this though.
I will not be seeing the responses here. I am temporarily blocking the community to save [what’s left of] my sanity.
Your opinion is wrong. If Biden or Harris were going to do anything they would have before their term ended. Harris made that clear. You thinking that democrats would have done anything when they didn’t for four years is just silly. That said, haven’t ann incorrect opinion isn’t ban worthy.
“Dems are bad” is not a good counterargument to “republicans are worse.” Choose the lesser of two evils.
They literally support the same things. Not subscribing to neoliberalism is definitely better. Did Biden/Harris do anything to stop the genocide? Did they do anything to help the average person? No. You’re still choosing evil.
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You’re presenting a selective history.
And yes, although the Israeli army has plenty of war criminals that should be sent to The Hague along with Netanyahu for their actions in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria, Hamas was never justified in kidnapping Israeli citizens in the first place. Terrorism is never justified, and terrorists on both sides deserve to be tried for their war crimes, as should be the case in any war.
I suspect that is why you were banned. Nothing about Trump. People like to do this, present one complimentary fact about their case and pretend that innocent thing was the whole reason for the response, instead of the less complimentary things they also did.
You are not by any means wrong in that statement. Hamas has no right to kill, rape, and kidnap a bunch of young Israeli civilians who have nothing to do with the occupation except having happened to be born in a country whose government is committing atrocities, and no amount of war crimes by the IDF would give them that right. However, I will have to say that trying to say that true fact in a Palestine community specifically, is probably a tactical error, and will lead to no good outcome and often to a ban.
PTB, I guess, technically, but asking people whose family members are being killed to sit still while you to tell them their side is also the bad guys is quite a lot to ask.
If it were me, I would focus more specifically on the fact that letting Trump get elected has now absolutely doomed everyone in Gaza and quite a lot of people in the West Bank. With Biden it was already a genocide. Under Trump, it’s now going to be an accelerated genocide, with much grander scope and ambition.
Israel had intel of the October 7 attack at least 3 days before it from Egypt and internal sources and allowed it to happen.
Fuck Israel. A genocidal colonial settler state deserves the violence it receives.
You’ve had awful takes on this, constantly defending Israel’s genocidal actions, and I’m sick of reading them. Armed resistance is warranted in the face of genocide. Blocking your dumbass.
Israel had intel of the October 7 attack at least 3 days before it from Egypt and internal sources and allowed it to happen.
Correct. They’ve also been arranging for funding for Hamas, going to bat for them against their domestic opponents, because having a more violent organization representing Palestine gives them excuses for what they wanted to do anyway. They’ve been pretty explicit about this. They love having Hamas around killing Israelis, because it makes it look a lot more justified when they feel like killing Palestinians, which is always.
You’ve had awful takes on this, constantly defending Israel’s genocidal actions, and I’m sick of reading them.
Ah yes, who could forget all the times I defended Israel’s genocidal actions. Which ones though? Which messages defending Israel’s actions were your favorites?
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Israel had intel of the October 7 attack at least 3 days before it from Egypt and internal sources and allowed it to happen.
Do you have source(s) on this? Would be interested in learning more.
It’s hard to find this shit on my phone because they’re intentionally memory holing stuff but here’s the times of Israel article about egypts warning, which was actually 10 days in advance.
I’ll see if I can find the article about internal reports being ignored but that one’s gonna be harder to find because I can’t remember which paper it was, might of been haaretz.
Edit: that was easier than I thought it would be. Considering all the hits to my head I can’t believe I remembered the paper right!
This was Israel’s 9/11. Intentional. Netanyahu needed this genocide to stay in power. As a Jew I fucking hate my kind. Zionazis disgust me. An insult to the memory of all our ancestors who died in the Holocaust.
PTB just like many other extremist anti Israel activist mods all over Lemmy.
There’s no place on Lemmy where this conflict can be discussed openly. r/israelpalestine and r/israel_palestine on Reddit aren’t particularly great, but better than anything here.
Pretty sure you can’t discuss genocide or war crimes there, so how is that now open?
PTB just like many other extremist anti Israel activist mods all over Lemmy.
Til it’s extremist to be anti genocide
“You can’t discuss the holocaust anywhere these days. The proprietors of all these establishments are extremist Anti-Nazis.” - you in 1944
Are you seriously comparing the Holocaust to the war in Gaza?
You should be ashamed of yourself.
There has been a similar rate of death to parts of the holocaust, I wasn’t trying to make that comparison though, the holocaust was an unimaginable horror.
What I was saying is Zionism is like Nazism in that they are both genocidal ultra-right ideologies aiming to eliminate the undesirables from the land they would like to settle, using terrorism and mass murder.
YDI. I like the whitewashing of your own actions here. To go into the comm for an occupied people in the middle of a genocide and start telling them they deserved it is disgusting, and you’re filth for doing so.
