You’re missing the forest for the trees. The cherry picked examples are not at all interesting or what I’m referring to.
It’s wonderful that he’s since retracted his position on Ukraine. It’s wonderful that he’s changed his tune on the hospital bombing. That’s not the issue.
The problem is the pattern.
He jumps to conclusions that fit his narrative and speaks with extreme confidence on things he knows almost nothing. It’s strange, because he has a poli Sci degree. But the most research I’ve seen him do on stream is read Twitter headlines.
I don’t care for Ethan either. I’m not interested in defending him. But Frogan has said WAY more despicable things than the Habibi thing. That’s not even relevant. Frogans charged language earned a temp ban on Twitch. The way she also called Ethan throughout the fallout was also despicable. But hey, it’s just Hasans community. He has no control over it, right?
Also, Hasan can’t handle the slightest criticism. After he botched that trans debate, a trans person in his chat mentioned some of the things he got wrong. What was Hasans response: he tells that person that he hopes they unalive themselves. Wow. Let’s keep simping for this wonderful individual.
Or that time he endorsed killing babies because after all, even babies of Israeli settlers are also occupiers. Barf.
We haven’t even scratched the surface.
Should I go on? Do you see the pattern now?
I don’t watch Ethan because I don’t like him or care for him. He’s got nothing interesting to say. But my god, do we have to simp for Hasan? Is this the best we got in the twitch political streaming world? Come on…
I have to admit that I’ve only been following Hasan for a little over a year.
I have not seen this pattern you speak of.
He makes conclusions based on political events that happen daily because that’s his job. What’s unique about Hasan though is that he’s willing to update his views over time as new evidence emerges, unlike the MSM.
I’ve seen Hasan do literal journalism on stream, like interviewing the imprisoned firefighters of California during this most recent fire disaster or attending protests and rallies in person, platforming leaders of those movements to amplify their message and cause. I’ve seen Hasan screen documentaries about unions and genocides. I’ve seen Hasan interview US senators, union leaders, and local government representatives across the country to get to the bottom of charged issues (like the Venezuelan apartment gangs story leading up to last year’s election). Hasan may be resistant to covering other social media sites, but he has good reason to stick to Xitter: Elon Musk and a growing fascist movement online are now using that platform to voice their bigoted views. Why run away from that to other forums if Hasan wanted to use those fascist talking points as examples to argue against? Might it be the case that Bluesky, having more strict content moderation, wouldn’t present the same opportunities to dispel myths and dunk on Nazis?
I used the Habibi thing as an example of how people, including Ethan, can take things out of context very quickly. And just because Ethan criticized Frogan for using Sabra as an almost slur doesn’t mean she didn’t have good reason to do so.
What other things do you take issue with that Frogan has said in the past? The soldiers with PTSD issue? How she condemns soldiers that choose to and want to fight the USA’s oftentimes unfounded wars? And her forgiveness to those soldiers that have remorse for fighting for the USA? If you don’t agree with this point, then you are still telling yourself the myth about American exceptionalism.
Do you take issue with how Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, when that’s what her therapist said she was? What about when Ethan took this event out of context and ran with it, assuming that Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, implying some sort of racialized hate? What about all of the despicable and vile shit that Ethan and Hila have said towards Frogan and others? What about those of the H3 community that have come out in direct opposition to Ethan and Hila for their completely unacceptable views towards Palestinians?
Oh, and are you talking about the 30 day ban Twitch placed on Frogan and others who led the Habibi/Sabra panel? That same panel that was allowed to happen at TwitchCon, which was vetted by Twitch ahead of time, and only after the fact Twitch decided to ban are receiving push back from online grifters? And why is this ban singled out, when as Frogan says, people on Twitch are banned for less time if they say pro genocide shit?
He botched the trans debate? Do you mean the debate Hasan had with Christian Walker, son of 2022 Georgia US Senate frontrunner and conservative Herschel Walker? The same Christian Walker that said that “college is a four year vacation” and who would glaze over any time Hasan would bring up facts/statistics or make logical arguments in favor of upholding the rights of trans people? The debate that basically proved that CW doesn’t really believe his anti-trans views, and only does so for clout? The debate where Hasan and his friend Felix spent hours up on hours to try to unpack and get to the bottom of CW’s beliefs, only for CW to be a contrarian and negate every single one of Hasan’s points? It was quite immature of CW to voice those opinions imo.
And are you referring to how Hasan banned someone after the debate for criticizing his trans views and comparing him to an actual bigot, Vaush? After Hasan demonstrated in real time what it meant to be a trans ally for hours upon hours? And how Hasan unbanned that same chatter after learning that they were trans and has since made amends? Would you take criticism well after being in a fight mode for hours on end? And would you unban someone after learning that your behaviors were unfounded? Would you go back and try to fix your mistakes, something that Hasan clearly does?
When did Hasan advocate for killing babies? It seems like you’ve fallen for the clipbait chimp shit from Ethan where he used a clip of Hasan laughing at Al Jazeera’s use of the phrase “offensive propaganda message” referring to the billboard showing Benjamin Netanyahu looking like Count Dracula and calling him out for killing babies. Hasan laughed because that Al Jazeera was putting this fact lightly and implying that this billboard would appear offensive and perhaps untrue or at the very least extrapolated to certain individuals who are partial to Israel. It’s beyond offensive that Israel killed primarily women and children in Gaza. It’s unacceptable. And it’s despicable that Israel spread the lie about Hamas decapitating infants. Netanyahu should go to jail for these acts. Hasan wasn’t advocating for the killing of babies. He was agreeing with Al Jazeera in that Israel’s actions were demonstrably evil.
You are so wrapped up in your own bubble reality that you are unwilling to suspend your ego and actually learn something for once. Jfc
You’re missing the forest for the trees. The cherry picked examples are not at all interesting or what I’m referring to.
It’s wonderful that he’s since retracted his position on Ukraine. It’s wonderful that he’s changed his tune on the hospital bombing. That’s not the issue.
The problem is the pattern.
He jumps to conclusions that fit his narrative and speaks with extreme confidence on things he knows almost nothing. It’s strange, because he has a poli Sci degree. But the most research I’ve seen him do on stream is read Twitter headlines.
I don’t care for Ethan either. I’m not interested in defending him. But Frogan has said WAY more despicable things than the Habibi thing. That’s not even relevant. Frogans charged language earned a temp ban on Twitch. The way she also called Ethan throughout the fallout was also despicable. But hey, it’s just Hasans community. He has no control over it, right?
Also, Hasan can’t handle the slightest criticism. After he botched that trans debate, a trans person in his chat mentioned some of the things he got wrong. What was Hasans response: he tells that person that he hopes they unalive themselves. Wow. Let’s keep simping for this wonderful individual.
Or that time he endorsed killing babies because after all, even babies of Israeli settlers are also occupiers. Barf.
We haven’t even scratched the surface.
Should I go on? Do you see the pattern now?
I don’t watch Ethan because I don’t like him or care for him. He’s got nothing interesting to say. But my god, do we have to simp for Hasan? Is this the best we got in the twitch political streaming world? Come on…
I have to admit that I’ve only been following Hasan for a little over a year.
I have not seen this pattern you speak of.
He makes conclusions based on political events that happen daily because that’s his job. What’s unique about Hasan though is that he’s willing to update his views over time as new evidence emerges, unlike the MSM.
I’ve seen Hasan do literal journalism on stream, like interviewing the imprisoned firefighters of California during this most recent fire disaster or attending protests and rallies in person, platforming leaders of those movements to amplify their message and cause. I’ve seen Hasan screen documentaries about unions and genocides. I’ve seen Hasan interview US senators, union leaders, and local government representatives across the country to get to the bottom of charged issues (like the Venezuelan apartment gangs story leading up to last year’s election). Hasan may be resistant to covering other social media sites, but he has good reason to stick to Xitter: Elon Musk and a growing fascist movement online are now using that platform to voice their bigoted views. Why run away from that to other forums if Hasan wanted to use those fascist talking points as examples to argue against? Might it be the case that Bluesky, having more strict content moderation, wouldn’t present the same opportunities to dispel myths and dunk on Nazis?
I used the Habibi thing as an example of how people, including Ethan, can take things out of context very quickly. And just because Ethan criticized Frogan for using Sabra as an almost slur doesn’t mean she didn’t have good reason to do so.
What other things do you take issue with that Frogan has said in the past? The soldiers with PTSD issue? How she condemns soldiers that choose to and want to fight the USA’s oftentimes unfounded wars? And her forgiveness to those soldiers that have remorse for fighting for the USA? If you don’t agree with this point, then you are still telling yourself the myth about American exceptionalism.
Do you take issue with how Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, when that’s what her therapist said she was? What about when Ethan took this event out of context and ran with it, assuming that Frogan called her therapist a Zionist, implying some sort of racialized hate? What about all of the despicable and vile shit that Ethan and Hila have said towards Frogan and others? What about those of the H3 community that have come out in direct opposition to Ethan and Hila for their completely unacceptable views towards Palestinians?
Oh, and are you talking about the 30 day ban Twitch placed on Frogan and others who led the Habibi/Sabra panel? That same panel that was allowed to happen at TwitchCon, which was vetted by Twitch ahead of time, and only after the fact Twitch decided to ban are receiving push back from online grifters? And why is this ban singled out, when as Frogan says, people on Twitch are banned for less time if they say pro genocide shit?
He botched the trans debate? Do you mean the debate Hasan had with Christian Walker, son of 2022 Georgia US Senate frontrunner and conservative Herschel Walker? The same Christian Walker that said that “college is a four year vacation” and who would glaze over any time Hasan would bring up facts/statistics or make logical arguments in favor of upholding the rights of trans people? The debate that basically proved that CW doesn’t really believe his anti-trans views, and only does so for clout? The debate where Hasan and his friend Felix spent hours up on hours to try to unpack and get to the bottom of CW’s beliefs, only for CW to be a contrarian and negate every single one of Hasan’s points? It was quite immature of CW to voice those opinions imo.
And are you referring to how Hasan banned someone after the debate for criticizing his trans views and comparing him to an actual bigot, Vaush? After Hasan demonstrated in real time what it meant to be a trans ally for hours upon hours? And how Hasan unbanned that same chatter after learning that they were trans and has since made amends? Would you take criticism well after being in a fight mode for hours on end? And would you unban someone after learning that your behaviors were unfounded? Would you go back and try to fix your mistakes, something that Hasan clearly does?
When did Hasan advocate for killing babies? It seems like you’ve fallen for the clipbait chimp shit from Ethan where he used a clip of Hasan laughing at Al Jazeera’s use of the phrase “offensive propaganda message” referring to the billboard showing Benjamin Netanyahu looking like Count Dracula and calling him out for killing babies. Hasan laughed because that Al Jazeera was putting this fact lightly and implying that this billboard would appear offensive and perhaps untrue or at the very least extrapolated to certain individuals who are partial to Israel. It’s beyond offensive that Israel killed primarily women and children in Gaza. It’s unacceptable. And it’s despicable that Israel spread the lie about Hamas decapitating infants. Netanyahu should go to jail for these acts. Hasan wasn’t advocating for the killing of babies. He was agreeing with Al Jazeera in that Israel’s actions were demonstrably evil.
You are so wrapped up in your own bubble reality that you are unwilling to suspend your ego and actually learn something for once. Jfc