• HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee
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    14 hours ago

    I’m not shifting the goalposts. The mere fact the US supported Euromaidan is not the same as the whole thing being a CIA coup.

    Except you’re not listening to geopolitical experts. You’re listening to an economist’s opinion on geopolitics, platformed only by Russian assets that is contradicted by most actual geopolitical experts on Earth.

    I ask again: how do I source proof of something not happening.

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      14 hours ago

      LoL. “An economist.” Please tell me what your qualifications are that you believe you have a better understanding and closer involvement than Jeffrey fucking Sachs. Not “platformed by Russia,” but literally there to assist Ukraine in negotiations.

      How many more geopolitical experts dissuading NATO escalation in Ukraine would you like? So you don’t move the goalposts further, let’s set it now: how many more? And what is it that you believe “backed by the US” to mean in a coup?

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        13 hours ago

        I’m not getting paid by Russia to shill for them on RT propaganda shows. That’s what.

        It don’t see how blaming Ukraine for starting the war helps the Ukrainians.

        You’re begging the question. NATO isn’t escalating. It wasn’t a coup.

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          13 hours ago

          No one blamed the Ukrainians. Especially not Jeffrey Sachs.

          Maybe if you weren’t talking out of your ass, you would be invited to participate in negotiations yourself or speaking in front of the EU on your expertise. But that’s not gonna happen because you are in no way his equal, regardless of how much esteem you hold for yourself for dutifully repeating NATO propaganda.

          When you consider your beliefs and biases to be equivalent to the actual expertise of others, it’s time to talk to a doctor about a possible personality disorder.

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            13 hours ago

            Putting blame for the war anywhere but the Russians is effectively blaming Ukraine.

            Putin has also spoken in front of the EU. It does not make Sachs’s opinion anything other than stupid.

            I’m basing my beliefs of off the expertise of the hundreds if not thousands of experts who agree that Sachs is a moron.

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              13 hours ago

              Ahh. Haha. Caught you moving that goalpost! So now holding the US accountable for their actions is also an attack on Ukrainians?!

              Hahahaha. Fucking pathetic.

              Since you’ve read hundreds of experts debunking Sachs, you should be able to provide at least one source. Right?

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                12 hours ago

                It’s not moving the goalposts. Also, you haven’t alleged any “actions” the US did other than not disaproving of the Kremlin’s puppet getting booted out of office.

                Blaming NATO expansionism is effectively denying the agency of Ukraine. So yeah, saying the US is responsible for Putin’s hard on for Ukraine is an attack on Ukrainians.

                What’s pathetic is your apparent worship of Sachs.

                https://web.archive.org/web/20230806172854/https://news.berkeley.edu/2023/03/20/open-letter-to-jeffrey-sachs-on-the-russia-ukraine-war/

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                  Did you read your own link? It’s a blanket denial, even of US involvement which you’ve already acknowledged. And it’s written by someone with a conflict of interest, as an economist directly profiting from the regime.

                  Funny that you NAFO bots love to pretend you support Ukrainian agency, while you defend those who took over their government and refuse to allow the Ukrainian people to participate in elections. Almost like you don’t actually give a fuck about Ukrainian agency, unless they’re willing to die in a proxy war for the west. Feigning such care for their agency, while not having an ounce of interest in protecting their lives.

                  Btw you severely overplayed it with your ‘criticizing the US is also attacking Ukrainians’ attempt. Sloppy.

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                    12 hours ago

                    I don’t consider “not actively opposing” to be the same thing as “involvement.”

                    Your sole cite was by an economist directly profiting from the Putin regime.

                    For all your demands of sources you have not provided a single bit of evidence of anything you have alleged. Even that article sucking off Putin couldn’t offer any evidence of US involvement other than Sullivan encouraging Ukraine not to bow to Putin. Do you have any actual evidence of US involvement in Euromaidan? Of Ukrainians being blocked from participating in elections?