Misner said it was a difficult decision to vote for Trump. He said the point of the Abandon Harris campaign was to punish the Democrats for supporting Israel during its war in Gaza, which the campaigners view as a genocide, and he hopes the Trump campaign will be more willing to negotiate with group leaders.
Vindication feels awful here, honestly.
“I think the biggest problem is that your messaging to Arab Americans can’t just be ‘Trump’s a fascist, Trump is Hitler. Big, scary orange man, vote for me.’ Part of being a part of the American political system is being able to separate yourself from your opponent and lay out a better vision. And she did not do that,” Abdelrahman said.
Negative messaging works, as much as people like to pretend it doesn’t.
If you saw a literal fascist openly declaring fascist things, and your response to the milquetoast opposition is “Well, you’re not seperated enough, stylistically”, you’re not much more than a fascist enabler.
In what fucking way is “Not fascism” not a better vision than “Literal fucking fascism”?
“She could have at least called for a ceasefire,” Khan said. (Harris repeatedly called for a ceasefire during her campaign, including during her Democratic convention speech.)
Ah, it’s just like being on Lemmy!
“Even in politics, humanity should be the first and the foremost thing to to be respected, to be valued, right? And [the] Democratic Party clearly, clearly, for an entire year showed us they do not care about human life,” Khan said. “They do not care about their constituents, how they feel about the massacre.”
Ah, yes, humanity is the first and foremost thing to be respected, which is why LGBT Americans have been served to fascists on a silver platter as a protest vote. Peak humanity.
Which Trump has approved of for years and provided the same support. They named a settlement Trump Heights in occupied territory to honor him for God’s sake!
The rest…
I’m so sick of people not doing their own research. The complete failure even just to member as far back as 4 years. That and the single minded focus of these morons. The sheer ignorance of people and the pig headed stubbornness to actually change their mindset when presented with irrefutable fact. All of that is what’s truly killing our country.
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on,” his campaign said in a statement.
Most people didn’t believe the fascism stuff. Democrats have used that in literally every election in my lifetime. They got played by being the little boy who calls wolf.
Then Harris told the working class that nothing would change and Trump promised lower grocery prices. It doesn’t matter that he was lying his ass off. Most people are not politically engaged enough to know there was zero chance of him keeping that promise.
And unfortunately this isn’t an election where only the politically educated get to vote. All of those points are bangers in your local university bar with political science students and professors. But all the common person sees is the guy who was president the last time they could afford stuff saying he’ll bring that back.
So yeah, Harris needed to actually do some campaigning, not just fear monger.
Is it the dems fault for calling reps what they are (and, news flash, have been for a long time)? Or is it your fault for allowing the reps to normalize fascism in your mind to the point it’s no longer a valid point?
For the record she did a fuck ton of campaigning and spent more time speaking with actual voters than the media and whatnot, she laid out detailed plans but no, it was because she spoke reality that Donny is a bad man and wants to do bad things. Was she not supposed to say anything about him at all? Not allowed to speak on the greatest threat to American democracy ever?
You the voter hold responsibility here as well. Oh but you got bored of being scared of fascism and now full-on fascism is here.
I’m sorry but Bush, McCain, and Romney were not fascist. Bush allowed more elections which is the big thing everyone’s afraid of. Trump is an actual danger, which is the story of the boy crying wolf. When the wolves actually come people don’t believe the boy. And political scientists have been warning the Democrats about that for more than a decade.
And no. The voters are not political professionals. Treating them like they are is naive at best.
And Bush invaded Iraq with such a honest justification.
Looking from outside of USA, this ’Democrats crying wolf’ narrative just seems dumb; it’s acking to Obama being elected just because of Republicans crying for communist for the nth time. I mean e.g. what are the examples for McCain been called fascist? The Hills’s example was Madonna in a concert! And that the more serious examples in history are more of type of stupid one offs rather than more cohesive phenomenon.
Though I do not completely dismiss that this couldn’t be a factor but media are really trying to find the silver bullet of explanations which imho just doesn’t exist.
As I’ve had to tell other people, Democracy is plenty capable of doing bad things. Jumping straight to Fascism in a system where there are still open and fair elections is ridiculous.
Trump employed both negative and positive messaging, and that’s why he won. Trump was saying “the dems will destroy America but I will make America great again”, meanwhile Harris was saying “Trump will destroy America, but I will… Not do much”. You can probably imagine why one was more effective.
Did you see her ads? Or hear some of her speeches? She definitely had positive messaging, too. The fact is undermining education is finally coming home to roost and it has effected all of us. You want out of this mess? Make the masses clap. Thats the game now.
She had positive messaging, but not where people wanted it. This is the woman who, when asked if she would do anything different from Biden in regards to the economy, said “nothing comes to mind” while promising to put Republicans in her cabinet. She also kept going back on her early promises in the late part of the election, so she was basically screaming at the top of her lung that she’s not reliable and her promises don’t matter.
Believe me, we’re on the same page. The only time the democrats had steam was when they switched and before anyone opened their mouths. All they had to do was be progressives and also represent change instead of more of the same. It would have been a slam dunk for anyone not worried about corporate donors. We wanted more Lina Khan.
Vindication feels awful here, honestly.
Negative messaging works, as much as people like to pretend it doesn’t.
If you saw a literal fascist openly declaring fascist things, and your response to the milquetoast opposition is “Well, you’re not seperated enough, stylistically”, you’re not much more than a fascist enabler.
In what fucking way is “Not fascism” not a better vision than “Literal fucking fascism”?
Ah, it’s just like being on Lemmy!
Ah, yes, humanity is the first and foremost thing to be respected, which is why LGBT Americans have been served to fascists on a silver platter as a protest vote. Peak humanity.
Jfc, she did lay out a plan with details, she did call for ceasefire and a two state solution, god I can’t take this shit.
Whose job was it to get that message out?
Their idiocy knows no bounds.
“To punish the democrats for supporting Israel…”
Which Trump has approved of for years and provided the same support. They named a settlement Trump Heights in occupied territory to honor him for God’s sake!
The rest…
I’m so sick of people not doing their own research. The complete failure even just to member as far back as 4 years. That and the single minded focus of these morons. The sheer ignorance of people and the pig headed stubbornness to actually change their mindset when presented with irrefutable fact. All of that is what’s truly killing our country.
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on,” his campaign said in a statement.
Most people didn’t believe the fascism stuff. Democrats have used that in literally every election in my lifetime. They got played by being the little boy who calls wolf.
Then Harris told the working class that nothing would change and Trump promised lower grocery prices. It doesn’t matter that he was lying his ass off. Most people are not politically engaged enough to know there was zero chance of him keeping that promise.
And unfortunately this isn’t an election where only the politically educated get to vote. All of those points are bangers in your local university bar with political science students and professors. But all the common person sees is the guy who was president the last time they could afford stuff saying he’ll bring that back.
So yeah, Harris needed to actually do some campaigning, not just fear monger.
Is it the dems fault for calling reps what they are (and, news flash, have been for a long time)? Or is it your fault for allowing the reps to normalize fascism in your mind to the point it’s no longer a valid point?
For the record she did a fuck ton of campaigning and spent more time speaking with actual voters than the media and whatnot, she laid out detailed plans but no, it was because she spoke reality that Donny is a bad man and wants to do bad things. Was she not supposed to say anything about him at all? Not allowed to speak on the greatest threat to American democracy ever?
You the voter hold responsibility here as well. Oh but you got bored of being scared of fascism and now full-on fascism is here.
I’m sorry but Bush, McCain, and Romney were not fascist. Bush allowed more elections which is the big thing everyone’s afraid of. Trump is an actual danger, which is the story of the boy crying wolf. When the wolves actually come people don’t believe the boy. And political scientists have been warning the Democrats about that for more than a decade.
And no. The voters are not political professionals. Treating them like they are is naive at best.
And Bush invaded Iraq with such a honest justification. Looking from outside of USA, this ’Democrats crying wolf’ narrative just seems dumb; it’s acking to Obama being elected just because of Republicans crying for communist for the nth time. I mean e.g. what are the examples for McCain been called fascist? The Hills’s example was Madonna in a concert! And that the more serious examples in history are more of type of stupid one offs rather than more cohesive phenomenon.
Though I do not completely dismiss that this couldn’t be a factor but media are really trying to find the silver bullet of explanations which imho just doesn’t exist.
As I’ve had to tell other people, Democracy is plenty capable of doing bad things. Jumping straight to Fascism in a system where there are still open and fair elections is ridiculous.
At least in this case it definitely didn’t.
Oh, in this case, negative messaging definitely did work.
Trump employed both negative and positive messaging, and that’s why he won. Trump was saying “the dems will destroy America but I will make America great again”, meanwhile Harris was saying “Trump will destroy America, but I will… Not do much”. You can probably imagine why one was more effective.
Did you see her ads? Or hear some of her speeches? She definitely had positive messaging, too. The fact is undermining education is finally coming home to roost and it has effected all of us. You want out of this mess? Make the masses clap. Thats the game now.
She had positive messaging, but not where people wanted it. This is the woman who, when asked if she would do anything different from Biden in regards to the economy, said “nothing comes to mind” while promising to put Republicans in her cabinet. She also kept going back on her early promises in the late part of the election, so she was basically screaming at the top of her lung that she’s not reliable and her promises don’t matter.
Believe me, we’re on the same page. The only time the democrats had steam was when they switched and before anyone opened their mouths. All they had to do was be progressives and also represent change instead of more of the same. It would have been a slam dunk for anyone not worried about corporate donors. We wanted more Lina Khan.