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    6 months ago

    If you vote like the Arabic community, you’re throwing them under the bus?

    Slate went to Dearborn, MI:

    “If it came down to Trump and Joe Biden, I will vote for Trump. Because it doesn’t get worse than Joe Biden,” a man named Salah told me. His friend, Amad, added, “Biden was supposed to be the peacemaker. The comfort-maker. Instead, he became accessory to the biggest genocide in modern history.”

    “Imagine thinking it’s a good argument to say to a community that has lost 30,000 people, ‘Watch out for the guy that’s going to ban you.’ You’re really asking me whether I’m going to take a ban or a genocide? I’ll take a ban,” Zahr told me.

    “I mean, we’ve literally seen our families and our people being thrown into mass graves. Babies blown to bits. It’s not some far-off thing to us,” he said. “It’s been a struggle to declare our own humanity while mourning for our people being massacred.”

    The truth is Ahmed was one of the only Arabs I could find in Dearborn who openly admitted they actually planned to vote for Biden in November.

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      Perhaps you should try to furnish actual data instead of meaningless anecdotes. Don’t give me a handful of people and pretend they represent everyone.

      It should also be noted that Arabs are not a monolith. Several Arab countries refuse to take Palestinian refugees, and are even on friendly terms with Israel. They opened their airspaces to allow the Iranian attack to be intercepted, and Jordan even helped intercept some.

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        My on the ground reporting beats your nothing. But here’s some data for you. The Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Truth Project asked 36,139 Arab Americans and “allied voters” “Who are you voting for in November?” 2,196 people responded. Here are the results:

        2% Trump

        7% Biden

        25% Jill Stein

        20% Cornell West

        19% Undecided

        23% Uncommitted

        3% Stay home

        A poll published at the end of October 2023 found “only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for Biden in 2024—a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.”

        Then a couple weeks ago a NYT poll “found Trump leading among registered Middle Eastern, North African or Muslim voters in the swing states, with 57 percent saying they were planning to back him in November. Only 25 percent said they were supporting Biden.”

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          Have an upvote for bringing receipts. It’s noteworthy that the NYT poll mentions this however:

          “However, Biden still held a lead over those voters who participated in the 2020 election, winning them 56 to 35 percent.”

          Regardless, I do concede your point. I’m interested in seeing how polls develop as we get closer to the election and the conflict continues. If Trump continues to open his mouth and express even deeper support for Israel and persecuting pro Palestinian protestors, the numbers may shift dramatically.

          I hope that they do, at least.

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            6 months ago

            I think things could change pretty quickly if a ceasefire is reached, and reached before another 35,000 people die. If this is still going on when the fall semester begins, it’s going to be ugly.

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              A ceasefire is crucial. The only one who’s against one from what I can tell is Netanyahu. The war isn’t really doing anything, and I believe IDF commanders have said as much. The Israeli government has elements that believe they need to outright leave Gaza and just make sure there’s a new governing body there that isn’t Hamas. The Israeli people seem very pissed about the hostages still being hostage as well.

              Combined with US pressure, I think we will see a ceasefire that looks to get the hostages returned and the violence to stop. Pressure is continuously building in that direction, and Netanyahu is obliviously making it more and more likely.

              Let’s hope there’s a ceasefire and the beginning of aid and rebuilding. I think everyone left of center wants this to be over.

              I appreciate the discussion we’ve had, and I’m sorry for being rude to you earlier.