• kase@lemmy.world
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    I was gonna call out the “grammar” one, since a person’s grammar really isn’t all that big a deal… Then I remembered reading one of his tweets a few days ago. It was somewhere around 200 words, all caps, and zero punctuation.

    I can’t. I can’t do four more years of this guy’s fucking tweets. Guys. Please.

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      Someone pointed out that him Ying his Hs (yuuuuuuge) is apparently a current linguistic trend in American English, and I about died of a heart attack

      I normally am a hard descriptivist but oh sweet God no not more people talking like him!

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    Yep it’s the same old bullshit from out-of-touch sub-22-year-old revolutionaries who just so happen to intersect the Venn diagram with right-wing wedge-driving astroturfers, conveniently. They tend to stay quiet for 3-4 years, do nothing, then complain loudly about how imperfect the inevitable candidate is, then threaten to do something utterly meaningless and backfiring to their own end-goals like not voting or voting 3rd-party.

    Tack on another on that list: Ukraine. Trump pledged zero aid to Ukraine; Republicans are blocking it all. Not only will more blood be spilled in Palestine under Republican leadership, but quantifiable more blood will also be spilled in Ukraine. Talk about a Pyrrhic victory.

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      It isn’t that they’re silent for 3-4 years, it’s that libs suddenly need their support and start hounding them about their motivations.

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        Of course they’ll hound you about your motivations; after all:

        • If you claim to care about Palestinians (along with the things on the right side of the scale, and Ukrainians)
        • Yet threaten to let the guy who will do bad things to these things on a scale orders-of-magnitude worse win…

        … Then you just aren’t thinking logically or with any foresight whatsoever. In fact it’s entirely self-defeating.

        In the meantime go ahead and ask a Palestinian and Ukrainian who they’d prefer to have in the White House. I’ll wait.

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          If you claim to care about the things on the right side of the scale (and even Palestinians and Ukrainians)

          I’m not even sure what this means, except that it seems to suggest that leftists care about right-leaning policies? I’ve seen a lot of loose usage of the right-left definitions lately, and it’s worth pointing out that the two geopolitical topics you specifically called out don’t exactly fit a strict ‘left-right’ political scale (having to deal with hierarchies and egalitarianism, generally). Different branches within the left political thinking have different lenses to judge international conflicts (an ML will look at those conflicts differently than an anarchist). Although we all see those conflicts differently, we all tend to agree that the US has historically never been a benevolent actor in them and we regard the US’s involvement skeptically, to say the least.

          Yet threaten to let the guy who will do this on a scale orders-of-magnitude worse win…

          The US political system simply does not provide egalitarian opportunities for dissent through it’s democratic process, so of course we threaten the system that is hostile to our involvement. Political dissent is the only tool available to us. It just so happens that this particular election provides quite a bit of leverage, because while the posture toward existing hierarchical structures is the same between the two parties, one party is desperately in need of support for self-preservation. Moderates have to work with us this time, and boy do they seem pissed about it.

          Then you just aren’t thinking logically or with any foresight whatsoever.

          Hardly, you just seem to think leftists are on ‘your side’. Liberals have always been the largest roadblock to progress, and have always been our target for agitation. We threaten the Liberal coalition by withholding support, and that gives us leverage.

          In the meantime go ahead and ask a Palestinian and Ukrainian who they’d prefer to have in the White House.

          LOL, Biden has been actively supplying the weaponry being used against Palestinians, and Ukraine has nearly been left to defend itself for the last year as Putin’s war machine has been slowly gaining momentum. I don’t think either group thinks of Biden fondly and you’re deluding yourself if you think they give a fuck about the US’s presidential race. I actually think they’d be rooting for the political agitators trying to get Biden to deal while he’s still in office, but I can’t speak for them (and funny that you think you’re able to yourself).

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            I’m not even sure what this mean

            Whoa, slow down there slick. I was merely referring in context to the submission meme. Do you or do you not care about the things on the scale?

            The US political system simply does not provide egalitarian opportunities for dissent through it’s democratic process, so of course we threaten the system that is hostile to our involvement.

            Why of course it does! For starters, they’re called Primaries. The problem is your numbers are so tiny that your coalition of course cannot punch above its weight-class. You seem to believe you’re the only group in America who matter and don’t seem to understand the concept or caucusing or coalitions.

            As a result you don’t seem to grasp that if Biden pulls too hard to “work with you,” he risks alienating more fragile, less-informed, less-educated more gullible parts of the electorate and then it’s all for nothing because now we have to deal with the significantly-worse guy and party for 4 years, and everyone including Palestinians and Ukrainians will have nobody to blame but folks such as yourself because you tried to leverage beyond your weight-class.

            Hardly, you just seem to think leftists are on ‘your side’. Liberals have always been the largest roadblock to progress, and have always been our target for agitation. We threaten the Liberal coalition by withholding support, and that gives us leverage.

            Considering it was those darned liberals who won pretty much every notable piece of advancement and progress in our nation’s history, I’m going to call bullshit on that. Thank a liberal for the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in Congress. It sure wasn’t you or any tankies, now, was it?

            LOL, Biden has been actively supplying the weaponry being used against Palestinians, and Ukraine has nearly been left to defend itself for the last year as Putin’s war machine has been slowly gaining momentum. I don’t think either group thinks of Biden fondly and you’re deluding yourself if they give a fuck about the US’s presidential race. I actually think they’d be rooting for the political agitators trying to get Biden to deal while he’s still in office, but I can’t speak for them (and funny that you think you’re able to yourself).

            Obvious deflection aside, I’m pretty sure Ukraine recognizes the obstruction in aid is entirely on Republicans. That you seem to muddy the waters suggests even more bad-faith arguing and now leans even more heavily to right-wing wedge-driving. It’s getting a bit too obvious for me now. Just go ahead and follow through, will you buddy? Because I’ve yet to see a Palestinian or Ukrainian say they’re rooting for Trump over Biden. Good luck, though.

            Pretty sure they give a big fuck about the Presidential race because in Ukraine it determines the outcome of aid, and in Palestine it determines whether they get Biden who is stepping away from Israel, versus Trump who has openly embraced steam-rolling Gaza. Quite foolish really to believe otherwise.

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              LMAO, I stopped reading after you said I should thank a liberal for the Civil Rights Act

              If leftists were such a small demographic then our voting patterns should be of no concern to your precious coalition, dipshit. But I’ll take that as an admission that your ire at us is purely theatrical.

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                Oof, that one kind of hit hard then, didn’t it?

                Keep preaching of pyrrhic victories from the comfort of your home as – checks notes – not a single Tankie was in Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, now, did they? So yes, thank a Liberal for actually getting shit done. Don’t have much to list for winning rights for the American people now, do you…?

                If leftists were such a small demographic then our voting patterns should be of no concern to your precious coalition, dipshit. But I’ll take that as an admission that your ire at us is purely theatrical.

                LMAO tell me you don’t understand zero-sum without saying it. Yes, congratulations: If tankies back out they might throw the election for the true fascist and accelerate the deaths of Palestinians, Ukrainians, and cripple rights on the home front from women to trans – great job! But now, you’ve just jeopordized an even LARGER chunk of the electorate in voting against you and now you still lose because you sacrificed the larger voting-bloc for the smaller voting-bloc. Totally wise move there, buddy! Way to think that one through!

                Yet who am I kidding – you seem to blame Biden for the lack of aid going to Ukraine, so there’s really no use in discussing any further.

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                  Keep preaching of pyrrhic victories from the comfort of your home as – checks notes – not a single Tankie was in Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, now, did they?

                  lol checkmate, tankie

                  Yes, congratulations: If tankies back out they might throw the election for the true fascist

                  I will gladly accept these congratulations on behalf of all tankies

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                  Keep preaching of pyrrhic victories from the comfort of your home as – checks notes – not a single Tankie was in Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, now, did they? So yes, thank a Liberal for actually getting shit done. Don’t have much to list for winning rights for the American people now, do you…?

                  I just have to jump in here to point out how utterly, completely, cataclysmically wrong you are about this. First, let’s start with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Yes, it’s true that no, “Tankie,” was in Congress to vote for it, but attributing it’s passage to Liberals shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how the parties functioned at the time.

                  Economically, the party positions were mostly the same, with Republicans promoting fiscal conservatism while Democrats supported labor rights and the social safety net. However, in terms of the Civil Rights movement, the divide was centered around geography, not party; Republicans and Democrats from northern states were far more likely to support the Civil Rights movement than southern states. In fact, more Republicans voted for Civil Rights Act than Democrats (a point disingenuous Republicans will bring up without acknowledging the Southern Strategy, but that’s a separate issue), so fiscally, the Civil Rights Act was passed with more conservative than liberal support.

                  Second, the Civil Rights movement in general was a far-left movement that clashed with Liberal Centrists. Martin Luther King was far more aligned with Socialists and Democrat Socialists than Liberals, and was downright anti-capitalist, saying, “Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty…[creating] conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, "capitalism has outlived its usefulness.”

                  King also had no patience for moderate Liberals. In a speech in 1960, he said, “There is a pressing need for a liberalism in the North which is truly liberal…[that] rises up with righteous indignation when a Negro is lynched in Mississippi but will be equally incensed when a Negro is denied the right to live in his neighborhood.” Even in his famous 1963 Letter from a Birmingham Jail he said:

                  I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.

                  So, in summary, attributing the Civil Rights Act to Liberals is patently wrong. Economically, more members of Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act would identify as conservative than liberal. Socially, the Civil Rights movement was often at odds with Liberal pragmatists who pushed for slower, more moderate action. Finally, given your comments, I’m pretty sure that if Martin Luther King were alive today, you’d think he was a Tankie.

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    I don’t think many people are saying that Biden is the same as Trump or just as bad as Trump. I think most progressives, for instance, would agree that Biden is better than Trump, it’s just that that’s such a low bar. I mean, are liberals really surprised that people aren’t all that impressed with a president whose main selling point is that he’s not as bad as the only alternative? Now, I get that liberals don’t see it that way, I understand that liberals, apparently, are really very happy with Joe Biden, but for the rest of us he is only the least bad option.

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    Do not vote for Joe Biden. You do not have to pick between two parties whose platforms are genocide. Vote third party in the national and don’t support the genocide.

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    These types of posts always strike me as desperate. I know no one and I mean no one that will switch from voting for Biden to voting for Trump just because he’s old and enables Israel’s genocide. And if they are willing to switch, you’re probably talking about mid-stage dementia boomers that are easily manipulated either way. Why do you have to get so offended that people talk shit about Biden? People didn’t vote for him cause they liked him. Your memes aren’t going to make people like Biden more, but they’ll definitely remind us that there are quite a few pathetic Democrats out there.