Of the Air (cele/celes)

pronouns: cele/celes

Plural. This is why we use we. Trans{gender and species}.

We aren’t human, thank you!

We are also ace- and aro- spec, so don’t direct sexual or romantic things at us. Even if it’s meant as non-romantic or non-sexual just don’t say we are loved or you love us etc.

Don’t call yourself any familial (dad, mum etc) words at us, it is extremely traumatic for us.

Some of the fediverse’s most hated mods and social justice advocates.

If personally attacked, argued against in bad faith, or find folks not confronting their own biases, being bigoted etc we will call it out, report or just block. You have been warned.

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Cake day: July 20th, 2024

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  • Okay, hopefully this is in good faith and we will respond in kind.

    So, yes, when taken at face value and explicitly what we said it could indeed be seen as ableist, so well done for calling us in. However, if we may, we’d like to add more thoughts on this.

    We completely understand that people may not always be able to do things on their own all the time, though some people are not given the opportunity to try because they cannot operate on the same timescales others expect them to, which is something that has happened and continues to happen to us.

    So there’s some nuance there in that, a lot of people could do things even with some disabilities if they were not expected to do it like everybody else or on the time scales of everybody else.

    As for other people, yes, it is likely some people will need assistance either forever, or for a while until they either learn how to do something or gain the confidence to do something.

    For example: We used to know another mostly nonverbal autistic person who a lot of people thought would be unable to do things, but their family cared and encouraged them to do things and they slowly learned that they could do things and were given the confidence to do so as well.

    For the other side, sure, maybe some people will never be able to do things, especially with certain physical disabilities, but that doesn’t mean we should automatically write them off and not give them the chance to try or think they are not worth time, encouragement, understanding, cooperating with or friendship etc.

    The point is, there’s a lot of assumptions in society and amongst individuals that people with certain conditions or ways of being can never do things or aren’t worth listening to and that leads to both horrible abuse and a lack of those people being given the chance to try, not pushed, not saying “they can do it!” if they clearly can’t but to figure out what they can do, what they can’t do, the time, environment and other such variables it takes them to do it if they can, and if they can’t, well, yes, we should help them, but it shouldn’t be an automatic assumption that we should do so or we will always have to.

    Hopefully you have a better understanding of where we are coming from now with this.




  • People using the word stupid in the comments of a post to refer to people that were being anti-queer.

    For one: We don’t consider being anti-queer ‘stupid’, but cruel, callous, lacking in compassion etc.

    For two: Considering others to be beneath you in the ability to do things or think, whether or not you like them is ableist and has a long history in eugenics, racism, classism and other such things which is pretty much how we explained it; having a classification system of ‘intelligence’ is in itself ableist because it presupposes others are either completely unable to do things (which isn’t accurate) or not worth engaging with/listening to, which is understandable if they’re being horrible, but that’s not because they lack ‘intelligence’, just tolerance and compassion etc. They might also have things to say if they are not horrible but instead are treated horribly and ignored by society etc, we have both seen it personally, and been victim to it.

    Yeah, we consider it very disproportionate given we were not meeting others with the vitriolic hatred and personal attacks they were meeting us with.

    Maybe we should have just removed their comments and banned them instead, but we wanted to give them the chance to understand and change instead, our mistake, we guess.


  • We kindly asked people not to use ableist language, and answered their questions about why it’s ableist and what to say instead.

    We also defended ourselves (without resorting to insulting them, just enforced our boundaries) when people attacked us (quite personally) for asking them to not be ableist.

    So yeah, just plain strange, we don’t consider asking people kindly to stop doing something, or defending ourselves without being cruel: ‘Trolling/Harassment’. If anything they were harassing and trolling us.