since I can’t prove a negative, bring me a study and I’ll show it either doesn’t support your claim, or it has a limited scope, or flawed methodology.

It is often modeled quite well with game theory.

no, it’s not

game theory doesn’t determine human behavior or elections, which depend on human behavior

but cutting a kid off from their only known support system and jailing the abuser doesn’t serve the kid or society, on balance. I want to fix the problem, but calling the cops just doesn’t look like a fix to me.

I watched my dad get cuffed and taken away and he’s an asshole but that didnt fix the problem. I leaned on my mom, moved in with my grandma, and I’m better for it. it’s not clear this kid has an extended network that can help them make it better.

being in jail and paying fines didn’t help my dad. the biggest best change I saw from him came from explaining the dsm npd diagnosis to him.

I want this kid to get help, but I don’t think the cops are it.

of course, stop it. but what good is a jail sentence or fine going to do?

he needs to understand why his actions are wrong. punishing him isn’t teaching.

veganism, as defined by the vegan society, which was founded by the folks who invented the term… opposes exploitation and cruelty. if you can find a way to kill em without being cruel, I think you are good.

reducing your animal produce intake for the benefit of the environment

has never reduced animal product production.

That’s right, everyone sit on their hands and do nothing

this is a strawman.

if i told you spinning in circles would help the planet, and i presented a study with dubious methodology, would you spend your time and energy spinning til you made yourself sick, or would you look for an actual solution?

no

disengage

But you’re more concerned with “winning” than the truth.

i’m only concerned with the truth.

and are actively trying to persuade people not to be vegans.

never. i don’t care if you are vegan. i only care if you spread spurious arguments to promote it.

this is, once again, poore-nemecek 2018 in new packaging. i wish we could get good science to tell us the best way to help the planet.