also bad phosphorus fertilizers contain just about every bad heavy metal and radioactive ones. USA has dirty P . China actually has some of the cleanest P because so much of their P refining are newer facilities and they work with different feedstock sources. USA is basically Mosaic corp which has bad sources now that theyve high graded the country, and old shitty refining process facilities.

People sleep on this contamination source getting added every year on almost all farmlands in USA . and its totally preventable problem with effects that cant be undone economically.

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literally this time

sad, its one of my favorite fishes. even decent quality sardines are crazy expensive now, except the ones from the baltic which are completely full of toxic PCBs and flame removedants and such.

whats the terrible take? im just describing society

Even just with the normal variability and demand vs levels of carryover stocks from year to year , it only takes 3 standard bad crop years to get us into a full blown serious global food crisis.

people are sleeping on this as one of the biggest risks, its not a matter of if, its a matter of when.

i think the argument can be made that about 4% of the population are sociopaths and they rise to the top. if we continually liquidated them we could get to a new equilibrium that wasn’t dystopia.

the domesticated people who just folllow and do their bidding like zombies are the source of power unfortunately.

unfortunately the benevolent do not rise to the top or else the good could harness the followers rather than the malevolent using them.

There are some papers about distributing resources so that everyone has enough. we can elevate standard of living while reducing ecological impact. Much of the west is miserable because despite having tons of clothes and TVs and iphones etc… they dont have basic shit like shelter or healthcare or friends. just this hollow life on the treadmill miserable. So you could substantially reduce the GDP of somewhere like america while potentially increasing gross national happiness just by doing something like legalizing shelter , reducing workweeks , having community bbqs and block parties , switching roads for bike lanes etc… Lower total ecological impact but have better life.

then with resources that would go to all the rich first worlders distribute those resources to people in actual material poverty like the ones starving to the point of permanent stunting.

Then if we continue with womens rights and birth control we can taper off the human population to sustainable levels over the next 200 years without requiring draconian measures. we just have to make it past the next few hundred and come out the other side in a good place.

We dont have the top down global coordination to do this so we will just crash this train and have to pick up from degraded afterfuture. best to start making small scale lifeboat communitiies to practice this stuff

i think about these things quite a bit.

Im more interested in building ones that can exist within our current system that allow people to flourish while simultaneously removing power from the incumbent system, in a way that will produce better outcomes for the populations within during the decline/collapse.

Its worth it to start at a human and tribal scale then scale up from there and iterate.

the top down models are failures best to let them fail and hasten that process while carving out some refugia that provide standdard of living for participants in them while establishing “best practices” that could be rapidly franchised out as more people want to exit the system as much as possible.

one of the problems people dont want to talk about is people abdicating personal responsibility and societal coordination to sociopaths out of sheer laziness and apathy. Nothing good works unless people want it. and people seem to be willling to trade any amount of freedom or justice or even money away to avoid the tiniest bit of inconvenience in the moment.

Best thing to do is hunt down other people that want to build alternatives now and start working with those people , fuck everyone else.

absolutely standard of living is severely restrained by laws that actively block humans from solving their problems.

Just think about it like this. for the cost of 1 years california minimum wage in materials and using my own labor i could build a permanent house that is small but completely adequate for me to last the rest of my life sheltered never again paying rent. The reason people cant do that is simply its illegal.

then think about zoning , the reason people even need cars and all the HUGE expenses associated with that is because its illegal to put stores , cafes, multi service gov offices, and other things where people need them where the people live .

our society is batshit crazy and the thing that drives me insane about this personally , when you talk to any yuppie about this they will absolutely irrationally freak out as if anything changing around the way things are is an existential threat. the reaction to the ideas like this are so extreme, to them it is inconceivable, and i dont understand what the origin of this particular mental blockage and emotional reaction is to them.

HOWEVER , another deeper issue is economic rent-seeking where people extract wealth in a way that is negative to standard of living, See georgism / geoism/ progress and poverty book to understand. there are types of economic activity that are creating more pies and selling them which generally ends up with more pie and cheaper for everyone, and then there is rent seeeking which is taking one pie, taking control of it then selling microslices to the highest bidders while using some profits to lobby making laws that say its illegal for pie makers to compete by producing more pies.

its good that the dems are at least trying to come up with something and recognize the working class matter but its too little too late. the dems heads are so far up their owns asses i don’t see them managing to escape their elite bubble and ideological straight jackets anytime soon until enough of these neoliberal dinosaurs die off.

wouldnt surprise me if we have to go through full civil war with fascists first. and then the most likely outcome isnt reform its just a pendulum swing to authoritarian leftism rather than reason.

Its just history . IF you dont think history is rife with polycrisis you haven’t read much history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_General_Crisis

electricity is only a tiny fraction of energy use.

an extraordinary streak of 415 days above previous highs and we just crossed back to the previous year level

If you cant come to grips with the scientific fact that ecological destruction has a direct connection to population then you should start a special sub for CollapseMagicalThinking.

Life requires resources these resources have flow rates, for example the amount of human appropriated calories that are possible to grow in one m² is limited by things like sunlight temperature nutrient inputs etc… This is scientifically measurable and all creatures including humans are constrained by such things. We are also constrained by waste production and the rate of waste detoxification by ecosystem services.

Of course “affluence” as measured by consumption is also part of the equation P*A=environmental impact. Humans appropriation of global bioproductivity is already pushed the other life on earth into mass extinction. Its already reduced many areas to lower bioproductivity levels. Over 40% of our current population number is dependent on advanced synthetic fertilizers that are highly dependent on fossil fuels and other depleting resources.

High population doesn’t imply killing people. It can mean voluntary birth control usage and lowering the ability of the global 1% to engage in excessive consumption rather than killing the poor that use a tiny fraction of the resources per capita.

Its strange to me that so many people in here talking about eugenics when neither eleitl nor the paper posted had anything to do with eugenics. This place is a dimwitted mob of barely literates arguing with imaginary ideological enemies. actually i probably shouldn’t use the word “arguing” since that requires something like a chain of claims-reasoning-evidence etc…

https://lemm.ee/c/collapse

less censorship

People fail to understand we are in fiscal dominance rather than monetary dominance now and interest rate increases wont throttle inflation. Interest rate increases can actually create inflation now because that money is printed and paid to bondholders who then use it in the actual economy therefore creating more money chasing the same amount of goods , therefore inflationary. this is like the 40s not the 70s.

I doubt this shit even moves the needle any more than the general neoliberal greenwash bullshit. All the parties are pro-human growth and anti-nature if it comes to asking for sacrifice to standard of living for humans

tldr the bond market is about as distorted as soviet economy, this eventually meets reality

Come on. If we don’t dig it up and burn it, it’s going to stay under the ground.

Those who think we should continue using fossil fuels despite the climate change and weather effects we’re already seeing do not understand the physics of how the world works.

our energy requirements for being alive are much higher than a population that didn’t get itself on a hockey stick shaped population chart. we are in an intensification trap. we must continue to use fossil fuels to maintain the population and standard of living, unless we are willling to sacrifice the population and standard of living and/or renewables grow so much they take up the slack.

so any talk of leaving it in the ground needs to also include talk of how we are going to allocate the misery that comes from such.