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At least if people wear those handmaid hats to the protests that should help skirt the facial recognition systems.

And I don’t have any drugs either.

Supposedly there was a leaked report from 23andme showing she was genetically not black.

Whenever some stupid shit comes out of trump’s mouth his minions go put out propaganda to make him be “right”. They have bot armies to amplify their posts to spread themand make people believe it (plus his followers already want to believe it so their job is easy). Musk has made this very easy to do on Xitter.

So this is just another example. When he said she wasn’t black and got made fun of, they rushed to put out propaganda on social media that there was a 23andme test showing she wasn’t Black and “see? he was right!” and amplified it to spread it even more. They do that with everything, like after the debate they put out pictures of grills with meat cooking on them that they said were cats and everyone just believes it.

The Democratic primaries were held as always. Biden won, as the sitting president (almost?) always does because there are no serious challengers. Maybe there should have been a stronger effort to challenge him but it would have probably accomplished nothing but disruption. After he dropped out there wasn’t time to hold new primaries.

But yeah, that’s why I said people have a lot more power further down the ballot, the more local the closer it is to the people and the more democratic. On a national level your voice is one among millions and as you say, the earlier primary states have the most power. and unfortunately yes, that voting strategy usually takes many election cycles of concerted effort by a movement to start working. On the R side, you could say it started back in the 80’s with the “moral majority” movement. One thing they did that was really effective was focusing their efforts on the State level and getting control of state legislatures.

A couple of things that make this harder for D’s is that it is a big tent party with diverse positions that can make it like herding cats, whereas with R’s their positions have been much more consistent (until the first trump candidacy and presidency, and now they’re consistent again, all having fallen into line under him). The other thing is that R’s and conservatives are spread out everywhere in the rural areas, while D’s and liberals are concentrated in the cities as a minority of the population in the many red states and an oversized majority in the few blue states. That also works to the R’s advantage in controlling more state legislatures. It’s a tough situation.

I think they’re making a distinction between policy issues and social issues. The policy issues are popular but the social issues not so much. I read that R’s ran a huge ad buy with an anti-trans ad that was very effective in swinging lots of male voters over to them. That’s one example of what they mean by the “woke” stuff. It scares conservatives and moderate dems–not the objective reality of the policies as much as messaging spin they put on it, designed to create fear and loathing. Like it or not, it’s effective.

They will run whoever wins in the primaries, which means that voting in the primaries is where you have much more power. Start early on supporting candidates who you think can win and help them win the primaries.

This works much better in down-ballot races than at the POTUS-level, but even there if you get a big enough movement going it can work. That’s how Trump got the R nomination in 2016 after all–the R establishment hated him and didn’t want him to win but he got the votes.

On the DNC side, after outcry about what happened with Bernie in 2016, they changed the rules to limit the power of the superdelegates to rig things like they did it 2016, by preventing them from voting on the first ballot and other rules on what they can do. Whether those reforms are enough has not yet been tested.

The majority of White women voted for him 53% to 45% (not sure what percent of those are in the evangelical christian demographic).

Women overall voted against him 53% to 45%. Funny how those numbers were the exact opposite. Anyway it was a smaller margin than Dems were hoping/expecting from women.

source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls

Yeah I hope they wouldn’t. Maybe they’ll try to resist it for a while but they’re choosing between following orders and losing their career at best and possibly more extreme retribution from trump at worst.

No of course I can’t blame them because it’s the only thing that makes sense to do. That’s what I saying. I blame the people who won’t vote for Dems if they don’t perfectly align with everything they want or don’t pass their purity test.

Magats took over the Republican party because they consistently voted for whichever R won the primary, even if it wasn’t the one they wanted to win the primary. R’s have always done this, but Magats especially have been turning out to do this since 2008 when gasp! the Black guy won (they started out as the Tea party). On top of that they did a lot of activism. Parading around with their guns was the part they liked best about that. They took a name for their movement; the TEA (taxed enough already) party was a stupid name and they looked like idiots with their teabags, but it worked for them and they eventually got their demagogue.

The Democratic party can be moved to the left with this same strategy. Vote for the more left-leaning or whoever you like best in the primary, then vote for whoever has the D by their name in the general. When they learn that they can actually count on getting enough votes from their base, they’ll stop futilely chasing votes from the right. At the same time you have to do activism and keep the movement growing, which makes sure they clearly know what you want and creates pressure to influence their policies. You don’t give up after one election cycle because it takes time and work…

Ceding your power by not voting doesn’t make politicians care about you–it’s not like boycotting a business that wants to sell you something. Politicians want to please those who vote for them, not those who don’t. Learn from the magats. First you put the politicians closer to your views into power, then keep pressuring them to enact the policies you want. Not sit around and wait for them to enact the agenda you want first and after that you’ll vote for them. Think about how training a dog works.

Same, late Tuesday night.

Oh is it, now? smh If you really do have the guts to go out and protest the mass deportations, Gaza, and whatever else, you’ll find out the hard way what fascism really is. But I have a feeling you’ll just stay home and watch it on TV.

They definitely won’t be on your side. Of course some will have qualms about carrying out those orders against their own people, but for various psychological reasons, they’ll go along. The best chance is if the military leadership refuses to give the unlawful orders to their troops.

“We can’t just vote fascism away”

Well, if you’d voted for Harris we could have, but have fun doing it you way, especially now that the military will be standing by to kill your asses on sight.

In order of who got what they wanted:

Men

White christian nationalist men and women

Latino men

Young men

Basically, men and brainwashed women who believe they should be subservient to them.

Ah, I see. Thanks, I just needed to scroll down a little.

A lot of those white women are Christian evangelicals salivating to install the Christian Theocracy. It’s sad & infuriating. I’m seeing clips of interviews with swing staters of various demographics who voted for him. They’re all like, “It’s gonna be great, the stock market’s gonna go up 40%, gas prices will go down by half! All those ads about him doing bad things are lies.”

According to your link it looks like it was the other way around, women were 53% Harris and 45% trump. Assuming that’s what the blue and red bars mean.

If it was just the fact of a two party system, why did it take over 200 years to do it?

That’s exactly it. It’s hard to admit that almost half the voting population is totally on board with trump–his “flaws” are not a bug, they’re a feature. He increased the size of his base, bringing in millions of Latinos, Gen Z men, and men of all races. It’s not that they simply hate the Dems, it’s that they love what trump is offering. In spite of that it there did exist enough more voters that don’t like trump (it would have taken 5 million more) to stop him, but they either didn’t give a shit or they wanted it to happen (to “punish” the dems). That’s the reality.

Yep, every time Dems can’t get enough votes from the left to win, because they aren’t “left/pure enough” for them, what they learn is to shift to the right to find votes.

Whereas since voters on the right will always vote for the one with the R by their name even if they don’t think the candidate is “right enough”, their party learns that it doesn’t have to move to the left to find enough votes and stays to the right or moves even further to the right.