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Cake day: December 12th, 2023

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  • This is a good one. I’ve heard also “Vegan because I’m trying to reduce the disutility I cause” or “harm reduction” etc. I think it can be effective because it doesn’t specify anything and lets them interpret it for themselves so they can’t really blame you for what comes to mind for them. If you want to be more specific you can say toward animals & the environment etc. The only problem is that I’m not really a utilitarian (lean more toward deontology) and my reasons for being vegan are less to do with that and more about an intention of respect for animals to not participate in actions or systems which I deem to be unethical/in disagreement with my values, rather than necessarily the benefit it causes or harm it reduces - so for me to say this is kind of dishonest as to my real values in relation to veganism, even if it can be a convincing argument for it. And while most probably won’t, some could take advantage of this and make an attempt at a counter-argument against veganism using a utilitarian calculus at some kind (which is probably misguided, but then prompts you to defend your stance anyway - and can get very protracted). Or they can make the causal inefficacy claim, which is pretty much an argument that being vegan doesn’t actually make a difference or reduce disutility/lower the amount of animal agriculture/exploitation & slaughter that happens because of nebulous market forces (or because they don’t understand supply & demand). Again one can argue against this but that’s not what I want to do if I’m just trying to enjoy the social setting peacefully. I really like this response though and maybe I misinterpreted what you meant by it, either way the unprompted acknowledgment that you’re not perfect like everyone (far from it) but you just want to be less shitty in this one way or you’re trying to be more principled or whatever, could be very successful at disarming them/lowering their guard down by making them feel less personally attacked or inadequate by comparison or whatever they’re feeling that makes them so hostile sometimes.