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Americans Are Open To Cheap Chinese Cars. That’s ‘Scary’ For The Rest Of The Auto Industry
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Shocker. People don’t want to pay $40k + to commute to work.
A lot of people want a reasonably priced car that can commute, have enough range for something fun on the weekend, and have a stereo that isn’t total shit.
the U.S industry has up to the time when BYD finishes its factory in Mexico to design more sub 20k vehicles.
The issue is that there aren’t low cost cars anymore. Everything is over 25k and the used cars market is insane.
So yeah, no shit we want cheaper cars.
“American companies are scared of the open market when it works against them, yet refuse to make better products”
There is a good reason why American companies are scared. It almost never works out for them. Sony vs Zenith TVs is a great example about how a foreign company improved on a technology (color tv) and made zenith look like a stingy dinosaur overnight. Instead of selling color TV’s zenith just doubled down and sold cheaper shittier TV’s. By the time color was standard, their reputation was ruined and no one wanted a Zenith when Sony was the best. Sony however wouldn’t have been able to get into the market without help from zenith in the first place.
They should stop choosing the “double down on making products shittier part”.
You could’ve been telling the story of the 80s automotive industry. Or really any American manufacturer.
The issue was that Chinese EVs are ahead of Western EVs due to aggressive subsidy and investment by the Chinese government to get ahead. So the market has been distorted which is what was “scary” according to the quite in the article that spawned the headline.
Having said that, I’m not sure I believe that Chinese EVs will be better quality. They may be cheaper and they may even have technically advanced but from experience of other Chinese products, quality is not a word I’d associate with them.
The US government can do the same, and they do bailouts for companies often too. Isn’t that also meddling in the free market? Why didn’t the US government incentivize EV then?
One of the ways they have are through CAFE credits - incentives for higher fuel efficiency and electric vehicles, since at least 2012. However the credits are tradeable, so legacy manufacturers instead bought credits from Tesla, and other EV manufacturers
Pretty sure that’s a core part of Tesla’s growth model.
due to aggressive subsidy and investment by the Chinese government
yes. similar to a lot of western products.
All the best and worst shit you own is made in China. If you don’t want cheap shit don’t buy cheap shit, but these cars are really nice and inexpensive.
These cars are in tons of countries outside of China and they are very well received.
I agree with you. China is manufacturing cheap products because that’s what (a lot of) consumers want as well. They also make expensive quality products, too. I have friends who like to rag on Made In China products but they love the quality of their iPhones which are just Designed in California.
What do you do when you need something fixed? Can parts be had?
You can order them and then have a mechanic fix it for you. It’s the same way in America.
Look into Harley Davidson, they should have gone bankrupt multiple times but were saved by high tarrifs placed on imported bikes.
Harleys are so ridiculously overpriced it’s hard to believe tariffs on the competition would make any difference
American cars have their own subsidies as well. I mean the government bailed them out of dying several years ago.
We shouldn’t have bailed them out. We should have bought a public controlling interest in them.
Americans aren’t going to care about quality that much if their monthly payment is only $200. As long as a Chinese EV is reliable long enough to make it’s total cost of ownership much lower than American EVs or ICEs they will line up to buy them.
The American market has been desperate for a cheap and reliable car, a role Japanese automakers used to fill, and both US and Japanese makers know it.
i wanna Datsun
Whose fault is it?
Chinese EV manufacturers, on the other hand, are already five to 10 years ahead of their American and European rivals, Kumar said. A lot of that is thanks to aggressive investments in the EV industry from the Chinese government.
From the average American’s perspective? Probably still China. China always bad. Always.
Americans are also so lacking in moral consistency that they’ll throw their racism and xenophobia to the side just to save $1.
Have you ever handled anything made in China? It’ll be something invented somewhere else, implemented worse.
Yet US has incentives, mandates, and protectionism. Why aren’t US manufacturers 5-10 years ahead?
It’s amazing what kind of leaps you can make with government funding research.
Don’t forget the IP theft!
Everyone does that though. My favourite is the original Xbox and everything from around the same time having notoriously bad capacitors because a faulty electrolyte formula was chain stolen.
Make small trucks you stupid pieces of shit! Make them SMALL.
Fuck the chicken tax, I want my Toyota helix.
Capitalists hate competition.
Apparently when everything’s made in China, it gives China a bit of an advantage…
… who’d have thought, except everyone who said so when the west started outsourcing all their manufacturing work there.
Has anyone released an electric car which came with an extra battery for trip replacements, and gave you the ability to buy more batteries for longer trips?
Yes. Chaina even: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZy603as5w
There’s trucks with swappable batteries but it all lacks a universal format.
I’ll buy a new electric car from anyone. It just needs:
- Over 175miles on a charge
- To cost less than $30K
- To not collect any data on me
My longest regular drive (few times a year) is around 75 miles each way. I just want to be able to do that without worrying about charging.
I could afford something that’s $45K, but I don’t want to, I don’t need that much car.
And not data-mining everything I do to sell to my insurance company, is really a standard thing that should never happen.
Just about anything else I’m flexible with. And from what I’ve seen, it should be relatively easy to build that car.Bonus point if I can get an actual color!
Something that’s not black, white, or grey.The difficult part of this is that you’d have to have a car with 30% + 15% more range than your minimum, because your daily usage will be between 80% at full charge and 10% at lowest charge, and you will lose 15% efficiency in cold weather, snow, rain, headwinds.
So for a minimum of 175 miles of range you really have to shop for a car with ~250 miles of range to be usable for you. I strongly believe we will see cars in the 30k price bracket with 250 miles of EPA range, but they are going to come with tech.
75mi x2 ways, is 150mi.
150mi x1.15 (15%), is 172.5mi.This also isn’t daily driving. It’s a few times a year at most. So the 150mi trips would pre-aranged 100% charge days.
Daily driving is less than 50mi. Closer to 30 really. So yah, I really only need the 175 miles of range.
The rare road trip that’s longer, would be once every 2-3 years at most. I’d just rent something for those trips.And when I say less than $30K I mean less. Not the in $30K price bracket. The $20K+ bracket. Maybe $28 or 29K tops, if it had some killer feature I really liked.
They should do what meta did and lobby for a competition ban. Oh wait I am positive they are already.
Yes I want a cheap EV. I don’t need all that infotainment garbage, I don’t need to have a machine too big to park. I want a small fuel efficient car that just works and just works off electricity instead of gas. Not freaken hard
For many chinese devices you get infotainment cheaper, and other extra things. But from my experience they lack in the steel quality compared to Möre refined auto makers. This is just my observation so it isn’t necessarily always true.
Old auto makers are slow to roll out changes that actually are cheap and easy to implement, status quo and all that
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