• Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
    19·
    6 days ago

    While I understand the post is mostly about stuff that’s not listed at all, the non-obvious stuff is always the grossest possible thing:

    • Carmine: why yes I would like some crushed up bugs in my cranberry juice, why not?

    • Vitamin D3: mmmm, sheep hair oil… delicious! (There are vegan sources)

    • Shellac: why do we love crushing up insects so much???

    • L. Cysteine - fucking feathers or human hair (there are vegan sources)

    • Omega fatty acids - fish oil yum! (there are vegan sources)

    Imagine my horror pour a glass of OJ at my parents place and realizing I was drinking ground up fish 🤮

    • grue@lemmy.world
      7·
      6 days ago
      • Shellac: why do we love crushing up insects so much???

      Look, it may be made of animals, but in terms of wood finishes, it could be a lot worse. Most of the others are toxic and/or made from petroleum.

      • Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        There is definitely a personal/cultural/local factor to this because I am extremely aware gelatin is from dead animals and have known this for as long as I can remember. The other items are things I only realised when I started excluding animal products. Except for maybe carmine?

        spoiler

        Head cheese was a staple during holiday meals (I have never eaten it, it’s fucking rank even if you don’t know what it is). Mmmmm yes, let’s boil an animals head and make a little cake out of it.

        But there, it’s added to the list and so gross it is going behind a spoiler.

  • frazw@lemmy.worldEnglish
    15·
    6 days ago

    It’s usually “may contains traces of…” Or "prepared in a factory that handles… " Or milk powder that is added for no reason.

    • Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
      5·
      6 days ago

      This may be the case but I also see products labeled as vegan that have the allergen warnings. So I tend to assume the worst. I could contact the company to ask, but I lack object permanence due to chronic nutritional deficiencies.

      spoiler

      (That is a joke, it’s the autism.)

    • IronKrill@lemmy.ca
      3·
      6 days ago

      I never considered that to be a factor in whether it’s labelled vegan or vegetarian. Many vegan products are labelled as such (although being fair, they don’t always claim to be vegan).

  • anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz
    7·
    6 days ago

    Maybe they’re using the older and superior definition of vegetarian and consider veganism to be more than a vegetarian diet.

    • Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
      7·
      6 days ago

      It’s not possible to know if they mean it in the “excludes animal products” or short hand for ovo-lacto tho. And where does that leave honey, carmine, lanolin?

      I agree veganism is more than food, but I trust vegan on a label more than vegetarian or plant based because it’s more likely to mean they exclude animal products from all the unlisted components, or items that can come from more than one source.

      • anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz
        4·
        6 days ago

        Today I also trust a vegan stamp more than a vegetarian one when it comes to food labels. I also learnt that while vegetarian mainly meant strict vegetarian in sweden until the 1990s it wasn’t so in the anglosphere. There was some rich biblical folks who wanted in on the word and diluted it to mean lacto-ovo-vegetarian in 1847.
        I was not a wee lad in the 1840s that’s for sure.
        https://ivu.org/history-of-ivu.html?view=article&id=2622%3Ahistory-salt-dairy&catid=72

        Regarding products from insects I don’t really see how them having an exoskeleton makes it more okay.
        Regarding lanolin I’d say its the same as with wool. The sheep that was sheared has been or will be slaughtered and buying the byproducts aid that reality.

        • Arcanepotato@crazypeople.onlineEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          Regarding products from insects I don’t really see how them having an exoskeleton makes it more okay.
          Regarding lanolin I’d say its the same as with wool. The sheep that was sheared has been or will be slaughtered and buying the byproducts aid that reality.

          What I meant with those examples is that using vegetarian vs ovo-lacto vegetarian only lets you know if it’s free of flesh or free of flesh and eggs and milk. It doesn’t acknowledge the other types of animal derived ingredients.

      • anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz
        11·
        6 days ago

        That when I was a wee lad a vegetarian diet meant abstaining eating any animal products, not just skipping meat. Those that consumed biproducts added prefixes, f.e. lacto-ovo-vegetarians eating both dairy and eggs.
        Veganism meant not using animal products at all, not just abstaining from eating them.