I completely respect Gaza making people reluctant voters. But don’t tell me you’re doing everything in your power for LGBTQ+ if you’re not going to support the only candidate who supports those rights. Just don’t even mention it if you’re going to contradict it.
Now, I only discovered who this person is this week (I heard one of her songs before all this stuff blew up). I don’t hate this person. My issues with her stance is about as minor as it can possibly be.
I’m just a passive observer who is watching half the country vote for a megalomaniac, a sliver of ill informed cynics vote for a Russian stooge, and a bunch of otherwise rational Americans pretend they don’t STRONGLY side with one party of another on 95% of issues.
I don’t think Trump should win. I also don’t think the status quo works for all Americans, and I would be skeptical of someone who recently bragged about Dick Cheney endorsements and seems to be shifting right on policy. Chappell wants voters to come to their own decision, and I think that best. Even Bernie said something similar of just don’t blindly listen to me if you think I’m wrong. It is healthy for democracy.
Perfectly fine. But in the upcoming election, because of FPTP voting and the electoral college, you have one choice: vote Harris or be OK with Trump getting elected.
Doesn’t mean you have to agree with Harris or support her policies. Just means that not voting for her means Trump is just that much more likely to be elected, at which time it doesn’t matter who you voted for, who you endorse, or what personal values you hold.
But those aren’t the only names on the ticket.
My general rule is to vote for individuals at the municipal level, vote first causes at the state level, and vote strategically at the federal level, to get the representatives who will steer policy closest to the direction I want into office. Then comes the letter writing to remind them that I helped elect them, and they still need to win my support by acting in accordance with my values in key areas.
They aren’t talking about their decision at the booth, they are talking about not being forced to endorse someone.
People really need to stop cornering other people over who they’re voting for, and especially public figures. They’re not obligated to campaign for your choice of politician.
I fully support questioning both sides. I support making up your own mind. Although I think the news goes out of its way to sanitize the dangers of right’s extremism, which makes it harder for low-information voters to make informed opinions. But that’s a separate conversation.
None of that changes the fact that she has a platform and she isn’t using it for her cause as she claims she does. But I’m glad that she’s definitively voting for her causes along with tens of millions of other people.
‘voting for harris over trump is fine but that doesn’t mean there aren’t issues with harris’
you: ‘she says she supports LGBTQ+ issues but that’s clearly not true because she refuses to endorse my candidate’
Suavevillain: ‘I understand being uncomfortable endorsing harris since she seems to be signaling right, and it’s not her job to tell her supporters how they should vote’
you: ‘she isn’t using her platform for her cause because she hasn’t endorsed my candidate’
You’re accusing her of not using her platform for LGBTQ+ causes simply because she isn’t endorsing your candidate, and the op and others in the thread are pointing out that Harris is a mixed-bag of policies and not by any stretch the champion of LGBTQ+ support anyway, and that choosing not to endorse her because of those apprehensions is perfectly understandable.
You’re bullying her and others into hyping up Harris by accusing them of not really supporting queer issues if they don’t.
I watch enough cable news to know that they don’t take the extremism on the right seriously enough. And they’re too chicken shit to call it out 90% of the time because then they’ll look biased. They try to attack the left over literally anything to appear impartial.
I pay attention to politics. And I notice the shit that happens that gets ignored.
I think it’s because the corporate media supports corporate status quo of corporate politicians on both sides.
They manufacture culture wars when a real leftist starts to get their message out, for example the millionaire cable news hosts called out Bernie for having a million dollars after he wrote a New York Times best seller. lol, wtaf.
That’s one small example, but the corporate cable news doesn’t want us to see past R good D bad, or vice versa.
We actually have a lot more in common than we realize. Every body is pissed pff about money in politics, for example.
I think it’s because the corporate media supports corporate status quo of corporate politicians on both sides.
They manufacture culture wars when a real leftist starts to get their message out, for example the millionaire cable news hosts called out Bernie for having a million dollars after he wrote a New York Times best seller. lol, wtaf.
That’s one small example, but the corporate cable news doesn’t want us to see past R good D bad, or vice versa.
We actually have a lot more in common than we realize. Every body is pissed pff about money in politics, for example.
I completely respect Gaza making people reluctant voters. But don’t tell me you’re doing everything in your power for LGBTQ+ if you’re not going to support the only candidate who supports those rights. Just don’t even mention it if you’re going to contradict it.
Now, I only discovered who this person is this week (I heard one of her songs before all this stuff blew up). I don’t hate this person. My issues with her stance is about as minor as it can possibly be.
I’m just a passive observer who is watching half the country vote for a megalomaniac, a sliver of ill informed cynics vote for a Russian stooge, and a bunch of otherwise rational Americans pretend they don’t STRONGLY side with one party of another on 95% of issues.
I don’t think Trump should win. I also don’t think the status quo works for all Americans, and I would be skeptical of someone who recently bragged about Dick Cheney endorsements and seems to be shifting right on policy. Chappell wants voters to come to their own decision, and I think that best. Even Bernie said something similar of just don’t blindly listen to me if you think I’m wrong. It is healthy for democracy.
Perfectly fine. But in the upcoming election, because of FPTP voting and the electoral college, you have one choice: vote Harris or be OK with Trump getting elected.
Doesn’t mean you have to agree with Harris or support her policies. Just means that not voting for her means Trump is just that much more likely to be elected, at which time it doesn’t matter who you voted for, who you endorse, or what personal values you hold.
But those aren’t the only names on the ticket.
My general rule is to vote for individuals at the municipal level, vote first causes at the state level, and vote strategically at the federal level, to get the representatives who will steer policy closest to the direction I want into office. Then comes the letter writing to remind them that I helped elect them, and they still need to win my support by acting in accordance with my values in key areas.
They aren’t talking about their decision at the booth, they are talking about not being forced to endorse someone.
People really need to stop cornering other people over who they’re voting for, and especially public figures. They’re not obligated to campaign for your choice of politician.
I fully support questioning both sides. I support making up your own mind. Although I think the news goes out of its way to sanitize the dangers of right’s extremism, which makes it harder for low-information voters to make informed opinions. But that’s a separate conversation.
None of that changes the fact that she has a platform and she isn’t using it for her cause as she claims she does. But I’m glad that she’s definitively voting for her causes along with tens of millions of other people.
She isn’t using it for your cause.
She is certainly using her platform for the issues she cares about.
It’s literally THE cause that SHE mentioned. That’s the entire point of my comments.
Wtf are you talking about, she’s literally famous for using her platform for trans and LGBTQ issues
I think you missed the conversation entirely.
No, I didn’t.
start of thread:
You’re accusing her of not using her platform for LGBTQ+ causes simply because she isn’t endorsing your candidate, and the op and others in the thread are pointing out that Harris is a mixed-bag of policies and not by any stretch the champion of LGBTQ+ support anyway, and that choosing not to endorse her because of those apprehensions is perfectly understandable.
You’re bullying her and others into hyping up Harris by accusing them of not really supporting queer issues if they don’t.
You’re a passive consumer of cable news.
I watch enough cable news to know that they don’t take the extremism on the right seriously enough. And they’re too chicken shit to call it out 90% of the time because then they’ll look biased. They try to attack the left over literally anything to appear impartial.
I pay attention to politics. And I notice the shit that happens that gets ignored.
I think it’s because the corporate media supports corporate status quo of corporate politicians on both sides.
They manufacture culture wars when a real leftist starts to get their message out, for example the millionaire cable news hosts called out Bernie for having a million dollars after he wrote a New York Times best seller. lol, wtaf.
That’s one small example, but the corporate cable news doesn’t want us to see past R good D bad, or vice versa.
We actually have a lot more in common than we realize. Every body is pissed pff about money in politics, for example.
I think it’s because the corporate media supports corporate status quo of corporate politicians on both sides.
They manufacture culture wars when a real leftist starts to get their message out, for example the millionaire cable news hosts called out Bernie for having a million dollars after he wrote a New York Times best seller. lol, wtaf.
That’s one small example, but the corporate cable news doesn’t want us to see past R good D bad, or vice versa.
We actually have a lot more in common than we realize. Every body is pissed pff about money in politics, for example.