• turdas@suppo.fi
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    2 months ago

    I still have no idea what you’re trying to communicate with that quote.

    Oh? Could you list them?

    Any country with welfare. Some are even experimenting with a radical concept called UBI, a leftist policy that slots very neatly into existing socdem frameworks.

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      2 months ago

      Did you read it?
      Being a great capitalist doesn’t equate to being socialist or democratic fwiw.

      Seeing as you’re incapable of actually listing welfare states that capitalistically yield free housing and food, I’ll consider your comments🧵 as hallucinations or delusions.

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        2 months ago

        Take your pick of European country and look into social housing. Yes its not as widespread as it could be and has faults, but it is a system of providing housing to people outside the market/capitalist system.

        Insisting on “free” as the marker of being outside a market system is illiterate, resources have to be expended to create things and their has to be accounting for this somehow. Even things that are are free at the point of use (oh look like the UK’s NHS, another example of a left wing policy in existence) have to manage their resources and ensure that they are distributed correctly.

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          2 months ago

          If I were to use your pick (UK), your argument is invalid.

          Insisting on “free” as the marker of being outside a market system is illiterate

          Oh, so you can’t see a system outside capitalism.

          resources have to be expended to create things

          And it should be policy to be free to reuse.

          their has to be accounting for this somehow.

          nrly.

          manage their resources and ensure that they are distributed correctly

          This is the key: managing resources to serve everyone, and distributing to the needed. Not the bourgeoisie.
          Anarchists believe we can manage those resources efficiently and equivocally. Capitalist, and in the case of SocDems, believe they can do so for their populists.

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            2 months ago

            Its not perfect therefore its not leftwing, gosh who could have predicted that.

            A gift economy being a (unproven in an industrialised context) way of running an economy other than a market system does not mean it is the only way of being outside a market system. A is not B does not imply that C is B.

            And you still need to account for resources, just handwaving gift economy does not relieve that pressure, you need a system for how much gets put into healthcare as opposed to education as opposed to transport as opposed to research. That means tracking resources numerically and that means something along the lines of money.

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              2 months ago

              Its not perfect

              Therefore your argument is imperfect. Correct your argument a little better, maybe you’ll convince us how King Charles should own more housing and food than the entire population of the UK, imperialist scum.

              And you still need to account for resources

              You really don’t.

              system for how much gets put into healthcare as opposed to education as opposed to transport as opposed to research

              In anarchy, everyone one of these gets supported. In UK, everyone of these get gutted. The priorities of privatizers are theirs, not ours.

              That means tracking resources numerically

              Again, nrly.

              money

              Which you know is theft.

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        2 months ago

        Now now, we don’t need to be exclusionary when clearly the respondent is having a temporary lapse of comprehension.
        As anarchists, we have to intersect on the ignorances as we see them, and mutual aid resources for them to get educated on their failings.
        We lift people up, not kick bridges down.
        Be the anarchy you want to see in the world deary