Germany is very, very exceptional in Europe when it comes to its support of Israel, the only equivalent country being Britain.
As it so happens I lived in Britain for a while and thus know that the current Prime Minister there got his job thanks to the support of Israel-linked Jewish Groups (who helped him overthrown the previous leader of his party with a slander campaign with accusations of anti-semitism which were so wild that they even accused a Jewish Holocaust Survivor of being an anti-semite to get at said leader by association, and then his party naturally got into government since over there they have First Past The Post, not Proportional Vote).
Anyways, the political and money elites in quite a lot of other European nations also have the greed motive to want to support Israel, but except for Britain the rest haven’t gone anywhere close to the level of Germany.
Hence I think that some element of real anti-semitism is part of the explanation for Germany’s extraordinary support of Israel when compared with the rest of Europe.
I think it’s out of the question that there’s an anti-Semitic conspiracy going on here, as you suspect. The reason: Religion is always just a means to an end for power-hungry politicians. The best example is that orange pedo in the White House—he pretends to be a fundamentalist Christian, but that’s very obviously just a cover to achieve his goals, which are to enrich himself and his cronies as much as possible.
The same applies to Netanyahu, against whom a case involving billions in corruption has been pending for years, a case that has never been prosecuted due to the ongoing state of war.
The two have one thing in common: their absolute ruthlessness—and that is precisely what characterizes their ilk. These people will literally walk over dead bodies. In my opinion, this has not the slightest thing to do with religion.
Edit: The UK is likely the US’s closest ally, and the modern German state was largely established under US occupation (East Germany was under Russian control but collapsed before the Soviet Union did). Both countries therefore have historically particularly close ties to the US. Furthermore, if we’re honest, European criticism of Israel’s crimes comes exclusively from Spain.
Oh, I think there are multiple reasons for this shit, including politicians in Europe being under pressure because Israel (which, remember, was involved in the Epstein ring and is home to several surveillance companies specialized in things like hacking smartphones) has kompromat on them (up to and including evidence of pedophilia) - I mean all it takes it to look at the incestuous relation between retired German politicians and Russia energy sector state companies to conclude that at least nowadays they’re as crooked as even those in Southern Europe (like in my own native Portugal) so I expect there’s going to be a lot of crooks in German politics that can be caught doing illegal things for those with the appropriate surveillance technology and even running worldwide honeypots for such people.
Mass gathering of blackmail material to control politicians in Democratic nations It’s a pretty natural extension of what the 4-eyes (now 7-eyes) were doing, into the age of people carrying around a networked device with natural surveillance capabilities in their own pockets, plus the Epstein Files have shown there really were no limits to the kinds of crimes some of the elites will actually do whilst being immune to the Law, to what others would do to get blackmail material on them and to how massive scale in size, duration and geographical scope such operations can be.
Further, as you say, for many if not most politicians Religion is nothing more than a tool to control the masses.
That said, in Germany only the symbols of NAZIsm and the top level were removed, the rest kept their place (the NAZIs inside the state were not removed, the very rich people who supported them did not lose their wealth), so I expect that genuine anti-semitism is part of the reason for Germany’s extra strong support for the nation where all Jews are supposed to move to, especially when it comes to its territorial expansion ambitions AND judging by what the German authorities have done in the face of pushback against that position (and, historically, by not extending their proclaimed “making amends” to other ethnicities targetted by the NAZIs for extermination), the whole “Historical Responsability” as a motivation is complete total bullshit and is meant only to manipulate common Germans into accepting the choices of the German power elites - having no Religious beliefs and only using Religion to manipulate people makes as much sense as manipulating people with claims of “good will” motivations for certain actions which have very different motivations - surelly if there are those doing the former, there are also those doing the latter.
Similarly, that way of looking at and behaving towards people from were NAZIsm was born (not just the belief that ethnic discrimination is fine - hence why the chancellor felt it was fine to openly justify his unwavering support for a Genocidal state with the dominant ethnicity of that state (“we unwaveringly support the Jewish state”) - but also that it’s fine to use the Force of the state to shut up dissent from the common people against the actions of those in power) didn’t got cleaned in depth from German power and money circles after WWII, also explains why the German Authorities are now pretty regularly resorting to Authoritarian use of Force to shut up critics of its policy of unwavering support of a Genocidal state, plus it also explains how easy it was for AfD to rise (logically, if Racially discriminatory treatment favoring one ethnicity - the Jewish People - is fine, then it’s also fine when it favors other groups, such as the German People: it is a very small Moral distance between one kind of ethnic discrimination and the other)
I mean, this is all “look at this” and * waves hands in the air and points * theorizing from me, yet so far I haven’t actually found any inconsistency in the idea that a mindset of Racism and Authoritarianism (not NAZIsm, just the kind of foundational way of looking at and dealing with other people from were things like NAZIsm are born) amongst the German Power circles is alive and well and it does make sense that some of those people do still harbor genuine anti-semitic feelings.
Yes, that’s true. After World War II, the Nazis—especially those in powerful economic circles—were unfortunately never held accountable for their crimes, and so even in today’s Germany, there are still a whole lot of die-hard Nazis in positions of power.
It may well be that these monsters continue to hatch anti-Semitic plans, and it is undeniable that there are numerous racists not only among the elites.
Nevertheless, I believe that Germany’s continued support for Israel’s atrocities is more due to the fact that the regime there shares their main values: In the original sense of the word, as coined by Mussolini, they are indeed also fascists, even if their religion, due to the racially based ideology of Nazism, should not allow for cooperation with die-hard Nazis.
I think this point demonstrates that these people actually have no values other than the pursuit of their own advantage.
In Germany, it seems to me that the situation is similar to that in the US: There are also numerous Nazis in the MAGA movement, yet even they act contrary to their own twisted ideology by allying themselves with Israel.
It may well be that they do this because they are pursuing some kind of long-term, anti-Semitic master plan. However, I consider it more likely that they simply do it because it is advantageous for them.
In short: I think that, contrary to their own propaganda, the utterly unscrupulous don’t really care at all what religion someone has or what their skin color is. What seems central to these people is simply that their allies are just as willing to walk over dead bodies as they are. And Israel definitely does that, and it also fits well into these monsters’ worldview: Israel, too, pursues deeply racist plans and denies entire peoples the right to live—I think that is the connecting element.
The way I see it, religion, ideology, and so on are always just a means to an end for these people. They are, above all, opportunists whose defining trait is their ruthless inhumanity—and in this respect, fascists of all stripes are the same.
Well, Israel is really a White Supremacist project (as amply demonstrated by how they treat Black Jews that come from Ethiopia - if it was really about Jewish Supremacy, they wouldn’t be doing things like covertly sterelizing Black Jews), so it makes sense that other White Supremacists just love it, which does align with your idea more than with mine.
That also explains why the Far-Right all over Europe are so friendly towards Israel, with hilarious situations like the guy for the Lega Nord in Italy who more than once openly voiced anti-semitism being invited to and welcomed in Israel.
Germany is very, very exceptional in Europe when it comes to its support of Israel, the only equivalent country being Britain.
As it so happens I lived in Britain for a while and thus know that the current Prime Minister there got his job thanks to the support of Israel-linked Jewish Groups (who helped him overthrown the previous leader of his party with a slander campaign with accusations of anti-semitism which were so wild that they even accused a Jewish Holocaust Survivor of being an anti-semite to get at said leader by association, and then his party naturally got into government since over there they have First Past The Post, not Proportional Vote).
Anyways, the political and money elites in quite a lot of other European nations also have the greed motive to want to support Israel, but except for Britain the rest haven’t gone anywhere close to the level of Germany.
Hence I think that some element of real anti-semitism is part of the explanation for Germany’s extraordinary support of Israel when compared with the rest of Europe.
I think it’s out of the question that there’s an anti-Semitic conspiracy going on here, as you suspect. The reason: Religion is always just a means to an end for power-hungry politicians. The best example is that orange pedo in the White House—he pretends to be a fundamentalist Christian, but that’s very obviously just a cover to achieve his goals, which are to enrich himself and his cronies as much as possible.
The same applies to Netanyahu, against whom a case involving billions in corruption has been pending for years, a case that has never been prosecuted due to the ongoing state of war.
The two have one thing in common: their absolute ruthlessness—and that is precisely what characterizes their ilk. These people will literally walk over dead bodies. In my opinion, this has not the slightest thing to do with religion.
Edit: The UK is likely the US’s closest ally, and the modern German state was largely established under US occupation (East Germany was under Russian control but collapsed before the Soviet Union did). Both countries therefore have historically particularly close ties to the US. Furthermore, if we’re honest, European criticism of Israel’s crimes comes exclusively from Spain.
Oh, I think there are multiple reasons for this shit, including politicians in Europe being under pressure because Israel (which, remember, was involved in the Epstein ring and is home to several surveillance companies specialized in things like hacking smartphones) has kompromat on them (up to and including evidence of pedophilia) - I mean all it takes it to look at the incestuous relation between retired German politicians and Russia energy sector state companies to conclude that at least nowadays they’re as crooked as even those in Southern Europe (like in my own native Portugal) so I expect there’s going to be a lot of crooks in German politics that can be caught doing illegal things for those with the appropriate surveillance technology and even running worldwide honeypots for such people.
Mass gathering of blackmail material to control politicians in Democratic nations It’s a pretty natural extension of what the 4-eyes (now 7-eyes) were doing, into the age of people carrying around a networked device with natural surveillance capabilities in their own pockets, plus the Epstein Files have shown there really were no limits to the kinds of crimes some of the elites will actually do whilst being immune to the Law, to what others would do to get blackmail material on them and to how massive scale in size, duration and geographical scope such operations can be.
Further, as you say, for many if not most politicians Religion is nothing more than a tool to control the masses.
That said, in Germany only the symbols of NAZIsm and the top level were removed, the rest kept their place (the NAZIs inside the state were not removed, the very rich people who supported them did not lose their wealth), so I expect that genuine anti-semitism is part of the reason for Germany’s extra strong support for the nation where all Jews are supposed to move to, especially when it comes to its territorial expansion ambitions AND judging by what the German authorities have done in the face of pushback against that position (and, historically, by not extending their proclaimed “making amends” to other ethnicities targetted by the NAZIs for extermination), the whole “Historical Responsability” as a motivation is complete total bullshit and is meant only to manipulate common Germans into accepting the choices of the German power elites - having no Religious beliefs and only using Religion to manipulate people makes as much sense as manipulating people with claims of “good will” motivations for certain actions which have very different motivations - surelly if there are those doing the former, there are also those doing the latter.
Similarly, that way of looking at and behaving towards people from were NAZIsm was born (not just the belief that ethnic discrimination is fine - hence why the chancellor felt it was fine to openly justify his unwavering support for a Genocidal state with the dominant ethnicity of that state (“we unwaveringly support the Jewish state”) - but also that it’s fine to use the Force of the state to shut up dissent from the common people against the actions of those in power) didn’t got cleaned in depth from German power and money circles after WWII, also explains why the German Authorities are now pretty regularly resorting to Authoritarian use of Force to shut up critics of its policy of unwavering support of a Genocidal state, plus it also explains how easy it was for AfD to rise (logically, if Racially discriminatory treatment favoring one ethnicity - the Jewish People - is fine, then it’s also fine when it favors other groups, such as the German People: it is a very small Moral distance between one kind of ethnic discrimination and the other)
I mean, this is all “look at this” and * waves hands in the air and points * theorizing from me, yet so far I haven’t actually found any inconsistency in the idea that a mindset of Racism and Authoritarianism (not NAZIsm, just the kind of foundational way of looking at and dealing with other people from were things like NAZIsm are born) amongst the German Power circles is alive and well and it does make sense that some of those people do still harbor genuine anti-semitic feelings.
Yes, that’s true. After World War II, the Nazis—especially those in powerful economic circles—were unfortunately never held accountable for their crimes, and so even in today’s Germany, there are still a whole lot of die-hard Nazis in positions of power.
It may well be that these monsters continue to hatch anti-Semitic plans, and it is undeniable that there are numerous racists not only among the elites.
Nevertheless, I believe that Germany’s continued support for Israel’s atrocities is more due to the fact that the regime there shares their main values: In the original sense of the word, as coined by Mussolini, they are indeed also fascists, even if their religion, due to the racially based ideology of Nazism, should not allow for cooperation with die-hard Nazis.
I think this point demonstrates that these people actually have no values other than the pursuit of their own advantage.
In Germany, it seems to me that the situation is similar to that in the US: There are also numerous Nazis in the MAGA movement, yet even they act contrary to their own twisted ideology by allying themselves with Israel.
It may well be that they do this because they are pursuing some kind of long-term, anti-Semitic master plan. However, I consider it more likely that they simply do it because it is advantageous for them.
In short: I think that, contrary to their own propaganda, the utterly unscrupulous don’t really care at all what religion someone has or what their skin color is. What seems central to these people is simply that their allies are just as willing to walk over dead bodies as they are. And Israel definitely does that, and it also fits well into these monsters’ worldview: Israel, too, pursues deeply racist plans and denies entire peoples the right to live—I think that is the connecting element.
The way I see it, religion, ideology, and so on are always just a means to an end for these people. They are, above all, opportunists whose defining trait is their ruthless inhumanity—and in this respect, fascists of all stripes are the same.
Well, Israel is really a White Supremacist project (as amply demonstrated by how they treat Black Jews that come from Ethiopia - if it was really about Jewish Supremacy, they wouldn’t be doing things like covertly sterelizing Black Jews), so it makes sense that other White Supremacists just love it, which does align with your idea more than with mine.
That also explains why the Far-Right all over Europe are so friendly towards Israel, with hilarious situations like the guy for the Lega Nord in Italy who more than once openly voiced anti-semitism being invited to and welcomed in Israel.
Food for thought.