Though neoliberalism would mean minimal governmental interfearence and restrictions. Also no public social network. Both are not the case for the majority of europe. Especially the EU restricts the market heavily by upholding consumer rights. For example the right to repair, a manditory standardised replaceable batterie on smartphones and all computer devices having to adapt USB-C. Then also the enviormental restrictions and regulations.

Capitalist, yes. But not neo-liberal.

You’re also saying “accross all party lines”, which is also completely false. Die Linke in germany, le parti socialiste in france, socialist party in portugal, only to name a few that i know that are in parliament, or in case of portugal, even the ruling party. All of them are not even close to neoliberalism! Not even Macron as faar as i know is neoliberal

👋, we don’t disagree. We are using this definition.

We indeed most likely dont disagree. I am just very careful with using “fight” words like “neoliberal”. They got thrown around a lot, and many use it to discredit anything they dont like. For example calling the green party in germany “neoliberal” or VOLT or the humanist party.

How i see it: “left”/“right” are soo brought of terms to discuss something seriousely. “Is “assisted dying on wishes of a patience” left or right?” Is my go-to example about which one could discuss labels forever instead of discussing the issue at hand

Do you believe deathcamps fall within a neoliberal context or not?

Death camps or concentration camps? There is a big difference between those two. Death camps as in camps for extermination without gain, like in Ausschwitz or Kolyma, and extermination due to ethnicity, i’d say no they are not neoliberal. If we are talking concentration camps like Dachau and all its outside camps, or the Uygure camps, aka labor camps, then yes i can see that practise to fall under neoliberalism. But ofc not always alone neoliberal but often with racistism, fascist or other totalitarian authotarian idiologie.

If we are strictly talking about the concept keeping person against their will and without proper compensation for the sake of free labor, often with inhuman treatment, so slavery, or “free prison labor” as used in the USA for example, that is without a doubt neoliberal. But ofc all of that depends on context. This definition does not work in a feudal society for the difference being that capitalism can only exist in a society with theoretical fluent societal heirarchy movement. Meaning that any person theoreticly could climb from the gutter to the top. In feudalism the heirarchy is set, and yes while self profiteering does exist, that does not make it capitalistic. Trade are fundamental aspects of society. The label to use for it depending on the societal structure.

But that is just my on the moment debating. Would honestly love to debate and learn more about the socio-economic transition from feudalism to capitalism. Pardon for missspelling. I have not gotten much sleep today nore the last few days and am dislexic as well as not natively english. I honestly dont even know if “societal” is a word lol