Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
Is it simply over-correcting in response to western anti-communist propaganda? I’d like to think it’s simply memeing for memes sake, but it feels too genuine.
Why did you send me a link to https://www.academia.edu/1072631/Review_Red_Plenty_by_Francis_Spufford review of Red Plenty by Francis Spufford, where reviewer names the genre science-fiction? The fuck?
Because Paul removedshott is an economist, and references real facts in his review. Just what I had on hand. Here’s a grab from the PDF:
Dude. It is a review of a fictional book with no sources attached. How do I know it’s fiction? Author says so on Goodreads.
We were talking about Poland being conquered by the USSR and that it was better without it. The excess Russian deaths you’re quoting - if they were true and not from a fiction book - still wouldn’t matter for Poland being better off without USSR? Do you see the distinction between those 2? One is USSR, the other is Poland, and the excess deaths (I linked before) in Poland were 8400?
The review is of a fictionalized socialist scenario. The author of the review is an economist that opposes the fictional allegories. This isn’t complicated.
The source is not Red Plenty, which is fiction. The source is the economist Paul removedshott’s review of Red Plenty, which makes mistakes in its presentation of alt-history. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. Further, the point about the dissolution of the USSR causing deaths everywhere holds true, you see the 8400 people that died due to abandoning socialism as “necessary costs.”
My bad. Still no sources for his claims in the review? Just a graph.
If you think that excessive deaths at the level of 8400 can be attributed to anything, you’re wrong. I mean how would you even attribute them? The winter was cold, it could’ve been flu.
Btw. USSR flavour of socialism was nationalism/imperialism with extra steps. Forcing subjected satellite states to produce in favour of the Russia.
Flu when social safety nets took such a dramatic hit is still contributable to the dissolution of socialism, as it’s extremely likely they would have otherwise lived.
Let me rephrase that. 8400 excess deaths in a country or 40 mil is unattributable. But I agree that USSR dissolution was likely related to it.
Damn, it could’ve been people dying from partying too much.
And yet we know poverty spiked massively after the dissolution of socialism in Poland. It’s only recently that it has recovered, though this has been growing recently.
Dude, why so you think Poles were rebelling in the 1970s and 1980s against USSR? :D Why do you think USSR split? Why Polish people were fighting to leave it? It was bankrupt. In the 70 and 80 extreme poor were oscillating between 10 to 25%. With shitton of places bankrupt you’re surprised that the people were poor? Your argument amounts to “in bankrupt countries people were poor”?
It took a decade of borrowing money, selling shit to foreigners to fix shit USSR broke or sucked from us. Then we had to pay the new loans in addition to the old loans USSR made us take to invest in Russia.