• Jocker Black@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    But this is the most reasonable response.

    If they realize that human shields aren’t working, they won’t use them and a more optimal number of people will be killed overall.

    Also, any human shields you kill should be attributed to the people using those human shields.

    Thats my take on this. I will agree to disagree with anyone who thinks otherwise.

    PS: For all those replying: where did the words “Israel” and “Hamas” come from? I would like to bring to your attention that I didn’t cover any details specific to the conflict anywhere above… As far as I am concerned:

    • Hamas is a terrorist organization
    • civilians in Gaza are innocent
    • Opinions about Israel are based entirely on Hamas reporting which could.be accurate or could be misinformation.

    PPS: Lets play some mental games for a second.

    Statement 1: X is mass murdering innocent people. And Y is trying to kill X.

    Who is the bad guy and who is the good guy? X is bad Y is good.

    Now let me reveal How X is mass murdering people.

    Statement 2: X is doing so by putting those innocent people into the fire of Y on X.

    You cannot tell me Y is worse than X after that. I don’t say that we can’t judge Y for attacking X under these circumstances, but X is never better than Y.

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      If they realize that human shields aren’t working, they won’t use them and a more optimal number of people will be killed overall.

      Israel has claimed it is shooting through human shields for decades. Do you think Hamas is too stupid to realize that it doesn’t work?

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        Hamas likes it when Israel kills Palestinian citizens, because it make Israel justifiably look bad. Hamas wants to get other countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran involved in the war, and dead Palestinian civilians helps that goal.

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          That completely contradicts your original point, that “If they realize that human shields aren’t working, they won’t use them”

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              Well fuck I just responded from my inbox. Whatever.

              So you think Israel is too stupid to realize how bad this makes them look and they are playing right into Hamas’s hands?

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        Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids.

        Do you shoot back or do you sit around like the cops did and wait till the killer gets bored, runs out of ammo, or runs out of victims.

        Just look up how many thousands of rockets and mortars Hamas has launched at seemingly random targets in Israel since October 7th.

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          Better analogy would be the killer in uvalde using a kid as a human shield while also shooting into the other classrooms trying to kill other kids.

          Sure, and then you bomb the school to kill them all. Also bomb all the surrounding buildings just in case.

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    Yeah no, the person behind the human shield wants to kill you and your family and is actively trying to accomplish said goal.

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            By what statement? By what action? “Unlimited amount” would be to not alert ahead of an attack on northern Gaza and catch Hamas commanders unguarded while destroying buildings with people still in them. What they did is provide a notice weeks ahead of the invasion of “we’re gonna invade you, run”. That’s literally the best thing they could’ve done in that situation humanitarianly, and the most ridiculous thing to do militarily.

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              Israel has stopped warning people. No text messages and no calls (not that there’s power to receive them) and no roof knocking.

              They’re bombing the safe zones. They’re bombing the evacuation routes. They’re bombing UN schools and shelters. More children are dying per day in this conflict than any conflict in recent history. Thousands and thousands of children are dead or buried under rubble.

              Stop defending genocide. You are on the wrong side of history and we will remember.

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                “You warned everyone weeks ahead but you stopped doing so now so you’re wrong”?!?!?!?!?

                Are you serious? What more do you want from them? They did everything they could to alert everyone in Gaza that they were coming and the need to evacuate.

                They’re making their own safe routes, transferring thousands of civilians through them. You really can’t expect more from an army, when its purpose is killing its enemies. Looks like they waste lots of time doing non-killing.

                And the number of victims is terrible, but it’s the price of war, and it looks like the Palestinian leaders are more than happy to accept those numbers. War is a 2 sided thing, and you only blame one - and the one which is doing literally all it can to prevent needless death. While the other side, which you think is just, is parading dead bodies and advocating for true genocide “from the river to the sea”. What peace can there be with that kind of leadership.

                History will remember this war like they remember WW2. Did Britain kill civilian germans? Lots. The number of german killed vs the number of British killed is humongous. Are they remembered as “merciless killers”? No. Because they were fighting objective evil.

                So is Israel.

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                  They’re bombing the safe zones you lying shit. No where is safe. The goal is to make Gaza uninhabitable so they are forced to flee the country and then Israel can annex the strip and make it part of Israel proper. Multiple politicians and government agencies have openly said this!

                  Ethnic cleansing through mass killing. Genocide.

                  Also? A multiethnic democracy, a free Palestine, from the river to the sea is not genocide. Making Israeli Jews into Palestinians is not genocide. Hamas wants to destroy Israel, which is a settler colony made from a British imperial mandate and it doesn’t have a right to exist.