Same applies to all social networks and MS Windows, right? Just making sure I’m tracking - these are also hated here? Things that rich people own manufacturing of? What about cars? They’re pretty much govt spyware now too. Just wondering how far this govt coercion hatred extends into everyday life.
Unironically, yes. I don’t know if you’re trying to make that scenario sound ridiculous, but I can assure you that it very much is not. At least outside of the US.
It’s not everyone at the moment, but the IT people who are paying attention are freaking the fuck out. I legitimately think Microsoft, AWS, and GCP will lose substantial market share overseas in the next 24 months.
Consider that much of the rest of the world has started trusting China more than the US. Now think about the US CLOUD Act. What person in their right mind is going to feel comfortable hosting their company’s most sensitive data within jurisdictional reach of whatever the fuck is going on over there?
Oh I agree! But I still drive a car and use windows when I have to. I don’t want to, but to avoid it is currently quite a life nuisance. And that’s I suppose how I feel about those who use Starlink.
Oh I agree! But I still drive a car and use windows when I have to. I don’t want to, but to avoid it is currently quite a life nuisance. And that’s I suppose how I feel about those who use Starlink.
Same applies to all social networks and MS Windows, right?
The only social networks I willingly use are Fediverse instances, none I’m registered on are hosted in the US.
No device in my house runs Windows. Linux is an upgrade, I recommend it.
Things that rich people own manufacturing of?
As a socialist, I believe the working class must seize the means of production, and am doing my part in building that future for us all.
What about cars? They’re pretty much govt spyware now too.
Yes, I despise the ‘smart’ features shoved into cars, televisions, etc… I am also active in /c/fuckcars, I am critical of their overuse and rarely use one.
Now, none of this is necessary for us to recognize that giving the US control of important infrastructure is dangerous. But you did ask. And many governments are also moving away from US infrastructure, although more slowly.
As for Starlink, its common use is the result of laziness and neglect. Satellite internet is clearly not the cheapest, fastest or most efficient for most of its customers to get modern internet infrastructure. Governments should be reducing their citizens’ need for Starlink as a serious priority, by building internet infrastructure.
People still drive but only because we have no choice most of the time. In a lot of places particularly the US and Australia it’s impossible to participate in society without owning a car or people thinking there is something wrong with you.
What’s your point? People have to do things they hate? Why not develop that thought further? WHY do we have to, and is a world where we have to less often (or not at all) possible?
I feel the endless search for avoiding things I hate is a bit of a utopian dream. I try to be a bit more realistic and tolerant I suppose. Understood that you don’t tho.
People who don’t have alternatives, yeah. Your thinking is too individualistic. You may agree on basic aversions, but the individualism is why you are getting downvotes
I also have a problem with overengineered inferior solutions to investing in improving and expanding what is cheap and works very well and that will negatively impact future space projects.
Oooooo. Wow ppl really just gonna hate everything he touches eh?
Remind me why. Is it mainly because of his attempt to reduce government spending, his views on trans, his Asperger’s, or his odd approach to reproducing with women?
SpaceX has 10k employees that aren’t Elon ya know.
Yes I understand that’s the party line. I was hoping for something more concrete but now it feels like this is being answered in bad faith so we can shut it down
What party line? It’s the truth? He’s in the Epstein files begging to go “party” on the island. He hit multiple nazi salutes on camera. It’s not a line it’s a statement of fact Elon Musk is a nazi pedophile.
Bad faith is when people point out my idol is fucking evil.
I genuinely saw the man making a hand gesture out to all the people. I didn’t see, nor have I even seen, any sign or symptom that he’s actually a Nazi.
The pedo thing, eh that’s pretty inconclusive that he was touching underage women because he asked to go to a party imo. I prefer a bit more damning evidence.
The man isn’t my idol. I hate a lot of his personal life and the way he appears to treat woman.
I truly am thinking independently, and I understand that your view on the world is different. Is this all it takes for you to say pedo Nazi or is there more?
I was hoping you were genuinely concerned about the most effective and equitable solution to get such an important utility to as many people as possible but clearly you’re just here to defend the weird billionaire
I am concerned. I didn’t bring up billionaire. I just wonder why we damn a whole company of 10k ppl doing cool science shit because we don’t like the CEO.
He’s a white supremacist who grew up in apartheid South Africa, comes from a family of racists (look up his grandfather, Elon is doing everything he can to carry on his legacy), and regularly promotes racist conspiracy theories. If you genuinely haven’t seen any signs that he’s a Nazi then you haven’t been fucking paying attention.
I’m sorry you feel this way. I haven’t been on reddit in years. I’ll limit or block Lemmy.ml, tension high af in here. Clearly I wandered into an echo chamber I don’t belong in!
I already see this is going to be a fruitless discussion with those proposed discussion points. “His attempt to reduce government spending” 🤣 “attempt”.
He didn’t do anything to reduce government spending other than dismantling agencies investigating him for malfeasance. That was a lazy cover to steal government data while simultaneously destroying any accountability for his crimes.
I’m using it as part of a question, asking if it’s his socially awkward behavior that makes him disliked. That’s all. That’s what I wrote. No need to rip your britches.
It seems I stepped on a landmine. My bad. I truly didn’t and don’t realize that satellite internet is destroying humanity but I hear now it’s the guy that started the company that is so I have to hate those too.
Starlink has been proven to be utilized for dubious activity to undermine sovereignty (see Mossad coup attemptin Iran as a most recent example). It hides under the guise of global internet for those who otherwise wouldn’t have access but seeing as how it comes at the cost of western imperial overreach, having solid counter measures ain’t a bad idea.
Think about iran, where they had to jam the starlink signal to keep the cia agents from murdering everyone (they paid per murder).
Now if usa attacked a less powerful country without jamming technology, the cia agents could get their orders and data over starlink, and use that to murder everyone.
Damn, what do you have against global internet?!
Sovereignty is a huge issue here - handing control of critical infrastructure to a US oligarch is just begging to be coerced and exploited.
Same applies to all social networks and MS Windows, right? Just making sure I’m tracking - these are also hated here? Things that rich people own manufacturing of? What about cars? They’re pretty much govt spyware now too. Just wondering how far this govt coercion hatred extends into everyday life.
Unironically, yes. I don’t know if you’re trying to make that scenario sound ridiculous, but I can assure you that it very much is not. At least outside of the US.
It’s not everyone at the moment, but the IT people who are paying attention are freaking the fuck out. I legitimately think Microsoft, AWS, and GCP will lose substantial market share overseas in the next 24 months.
Consider that much of the rest of the world has started trusting China more than the US. Now think about the US CLOUD Act. What person in their right mind is going to feel comfortable hosting their company’s most sensitive data within jurisdictional reach of whatever the fuck is going on over there?
I am inside the United States and those corporations are all cancer and need to be cut out before they further spread.
Oh I agree! But I still drive a car and use windows when I have to. I don’t want to, but to avoid it is currently quite a life nuisance. And that’s I suppose how I feel about those who use Starlink.
did you ever wonder how we got steered into a situation where we’re forced to use windows, and cars, and starlink?
Oh I agree! But I still drive a car and use windows when I have to. I don’t want to, but to avoid it is currently quite a life nuisance. And that’s I suppose how I feel about those who use Starlink.
The only social networks I willingly use are Fediverse instances, none I’m registered on are hosted in the US.
No device in my house runs Windows. Linux is an upgrade, I recommend it.
As a socialist, I believe the working class must seize the means of production, and am doing my part in building that future for us all.
Yes, I despise the ‘smart’ features shoved into cars, televisions, etc… I am also active in /c/fuckcars, I am critical of their overuse and rarely use one.
Now, none of this is necessary for us to recognize that giving the US control of important infrastructure is dangerous. But you did ask. And many governments are also moving away from US infrastructure, although more slowly.
As for Starlink, its common use is the result of laziness and neglect. Satellite internet is clearly not the cheapest, fastest or most efficient for most of its customers to get modern internet infrastructure. Governments should be reducing their citizens’ need for Starlink as a serious priority, by building internet infrastructure.
Yup. Hate all of them.
YES
/c/fuckcars
A lot
Oh I agree!
Sir this is a-lemmy. We all hate Microslop, rich people and cars here.
But most of us still drive, I suppose that was the point
Fuck cars is indeed a prevailing sentiment here and elsewhere, as it should be.
Yep people here hate windows. We hate cars, for reasons aside from spying as well they just generally suck.
So does no one here drive?
People still drive but only because we have no choice most of the time. In a lot of places particularly the US and Australia it’s impossible to participate in society without owning a car or people thinking there is something wrong with you.
I did it for years in the city but can’t anymore.
So yeah, anyhow, that’s my point.
What’s your point? People have to do things they hate? Why not develop that thought further? WHY do we have to, and is a world where we have to less often (or not at all) possible?
I feel the endless search for avoiding things I hate is a bit of a utopian dream. I try to be a bit more realistic and tolerant I suppose. Understood that you don’t tho.
People who don’t have alternatives, yeah. Your thinking is too individualistic. You may agree on basic aversions, but the individualism is why you are getting downvotes
Whataboutism
Yeah, in search of answers. Not to defend a point.
Why do you use the phrase “that’s my point” if you’re not trying to make one. You seem confused
Not sure what you’re referencing
You, elsewhere in the thread
That it’s owned by … the person who owns it.
I also have a problem with overengineered inferior solutions to investing in improving and expanding what is cheap and works very well and that will negatively impact future space projects.
You know, his entire shtick.
Oooooo. Wow ppl really just gonna hate everything he touches eh?
Remind me why. Is it mainly because of his attempt to reduce government spending, his views on trans, his Asperger’s, or his odd approach to reproducing with women?
SpaceX has 10k employees that aren’t Elon ya know.
Him being a nazi pedophile is probably what most people take issue with.
Yes I understand that’s the party line. I was hoping for something more concrete but now it feels like this is being answered in bad faith so we can shut it down
What party line? It’s the truth? He’s in the Epstein files begging to go “party” on the island. He hit multiple nazi salutes on camera. It’s not a line it’s a statement of fact Elon Musk is a nazi pedophile.
I genuinely saw the man making a hand gesture out to all the people. I didn’t see, nor have I even seen, any sign or symptom that he’s actually a Nazi.
The pedo thing, eh that’s pretty inconclusive that he was touching underage women because he asked to go to a party imo. I prefer a bit more damning evidence.
The man isn’t my idol. I hate a lot of his personal life and the way he appears to treat woman.
I truly am thinking independently, and I understand that your view on the world is different. Is this all it takes for you to say pedo Nazi or is there more?
I was hoping you were genuinely concerned about the most effective and equitable solution to get such an important utility to as many people as possible but clearly you’re just here to defend the weird billionaire
I am concerned. I didn’t bring up billionaire. I just wonder why we damn a whole company of 10k ppl doing cool science shit because we don’t like the CEO.
He’s a white supremacist who grew up in apartheid South Africa, comes from a family of racists (look up his grandfather, Elon is doing everything he can to carry on his legacy), and regularly promotes racist conspiracy theories. If you genuinely haven’t seen any signs that he’s a Nazi then you haven’t been fucking paying attention.
Please just go back to Reddit. You’re just here to try to wreck this community, and we all know it.
I’m sorry you feel this way. I haven’t been on reddit in years. I’ll limit or block Lemmy.ml, tension high af in here. Clearly I wandered into an echo chamber I don’t belong in!
I already see this is going to be a fruitless discussion with those proposed discussion points. “His attempt to reduce government spending” 🤣 “attempt”.
not even sure what you’re laughing abt. but fair to say it’s not going to be fruitful given this response.
He didn’t do anything to reduce government spending other than dismantling agencies investigating him for malfeasance. That was a lazy cover to steal government data while simultaneously destroying any accountability for his crimes.
He never stood a chance, he was untrusted by half the country.
He dug his grave himself. Zero sympathy.
Found Elon’s alt
As an autistic person, don’t you FUCKING DARE defend his use of that fucking card for the horrible way he acts.
I’m using it as part of a question, asking if it’s his socially awkward behavior that makes him disliked. That’s all. That’s what I wrote. No need to rip your britches.
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It seems I stepped on a landmine. My bad. I truly didn’t and don’t realize that satellite internet is destroying humanity but I hear now it’s the guy that started the company that is so I have to hate those too.
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Starlink has been proven to be utilized for dubious activity to undermine sovereignty (see Mossad coup attemptin Iran as a most recent example). It hides under the guise of global internet for those who otherwise wouldn’t have access but seeing as how it comes at the cost of western imperial overreach, having solid counter measures ain’t a bad idea.
Think about iran, where they had to jam the starlink signal to keep the cia agents from murdering everyone (they paid per murder).
Now if usa attacked a less powerful country without jamming technology, the cia agents could get their orders and data over starlink, and use that to murder everyone.
Global internet that is controlled by a Nazi man-child who wants to destabilize western democracy? Yeah, what could possibly be wrong with that…
As if “Western democracy” needed any help being destabilized.
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Isn’t the whole point of western democracies to uphold the right of fascist billionaires to exploit for their selfish desires?
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“Sure there are good reasons to do it, but I’m sure China is only doing it to be evil!”
If evil is how you characterize their actions that’s your business. I just look at past actions and patterns of behavior.
Oh please, we both know that’s nonsense
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Perhaps you should go back to Reddit
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