Former President Donald Trump continued his obsession with crowd size on Sunday, claiming photos that showed a large crowd outside Vice President Kamala Harris’ Detroit rally last week were AI-generated. But one photographer who was in attendance confirmed to the Daily Beast that the images his camera captured were very real.

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    Every Democrat I know that voted for her, including myself, fucking hated her as a nominee. Do you honestly believe that Hillary Clinton is popular? That’s like, demonstrably false

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      According to the primaries she was. In fact, according to the primaries she was nearly in the general for 2008. What’s your data for demonstrably false? Certainly something more concrete than “me and my pals weren’t pleased.”

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        You’d have to be intentionally obtuse to believe she was likable. Just Google “Hillary Clinton likability”, this isn’t some revelation. I won’t cite you a single source, because there’s such an overwhelming multitude of sources, articles, polls, etc. if you are really at the point of “show me the data proving Hillary Clinton’s unlikability”, then you’re already ignoring mountains of data and won’t bat an eye at any source I send you. But feel free to Google it, it’s been documented extensively over the last decade.

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            whaddya know. you were proven wrong, it was insanely easy to prove, and you disappeared rather than admit you were wrong. I’m sure for years you’ll be telling people how likable Hillary Clinton is. I bet you also love to rip on conservatives for being low-information, obstinate voters who won’t change their minds when presented with evidence. :)

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              Disappeared? You are behaving like a child because someone asked you for data. I hope you can figure out how to control your rage someday.

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                I have very little patience for willful ignorance.

                “The sky is orange and you can’t prove otherwise.”

                “You’re dumb.”

                “You can’t find the data because it doesn’t exist. The sky is orange.”

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            “I refuse to even Google this because I know i’ll be INSTANTLY proven wrong”, keep sticking your head in the sand buddy

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              I don’t think I’m any better than you are at searching. You worked at it for a while and found nothing. I’ll accept that.

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                All the way through 2018 Hillary had very poor favorability ratings. [1] It’s hard to find like-for-like favorability measurements made recently, but according to YouGov she does seem to have slightly rebounded over the past couple of years.[2]

                The subject of Clinton hate is enough of a topic that multiple books have been written on it, both in defense of Clinton and in prosecution.[3]


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                  Thanks!

                  I’m kinda wondering about their claim regarding 2016. On that first link if we look at the breakdown with just Dems she was like 75-90 around November. IDK if 75 disastrously low for a Dem candidate?

                  I’m still dubious at the idea that everyone hates her and always has. And of course still dubious that voters hate Hillary Clinton so much having her speak on one’s behalf would cost their support.

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                    And of course still dubious that voters hate Hillary Clinton so much having her speak on one’s behalf would cost their support.

                    I can see it. It’s the young voters: the ones currently driving the Harris wave. They don’t like the old, they had no interest in Biden and were old enough to absorb anti-Hillary sentiment through osmosis during 2016. The campaign now is new, feels fresh and hip. For once they have a candidate they can relate to. And what do they see when they tune into the DNC - which should be a hypefest? Stuffy old establishment Dems, including much-maligned Hillary. That to me sounds like a great way to take some wind out of the sails of the campaign.

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                  You are extremely mad that you cannot find actual data. IDGI. That other person posted some links with actual polls you could bookmark for the future. IDK how well it supports your “everyone hates her and always has” idea though.

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                    The data is plain to see, and it’s common knowledge. It has had massive coverage for literal decades. You are the worst kind of ignorant - “I hold an insanely stupid position, I require you to force feed me easily-findable data, otherwise you’re wrong and my idiotic preconceived notions are right”. Even after that other person posted that data, you’re pushing back on it, with nothing other than “my side feels right”.