Polls don’t mean anything if people don’t go out and vote, and tbh I don’t think Harris is leading in battle ground states enough to really say there might be a “blue wave”.
If the election were by popular vote, as it should be, this wouldn’t be an issue at all and Trump would have lost the first time. Our shitty system gives the hateful assholes far more representation than they should have.
You’re right that he would’ve lost the first time, but it still would’ve been way closer to winning than is healthy. In a sane world, 20% of the popular vote for a racist, sexist, rapist, conman thief would’ve been concerning.
Even the popular vote gets fucked up thanks to the electoral college though. Blue voters in red states have little incentive to show up to the polls because of the EC.
So true. The radical extremist qons and/or people that live in less important areas have far more influence than they should have. If anything, people that live in places with more people should have more influence, not less.
It’s so hard, I live in a non-swing state that is very heavily republican. I have conversations with these people daily. They all want the same things as me, have families, great values, and are genuinely great people. But as soon as politics comes up they shut down. It’s only republican or nothing else. I don’t know if what a candidate in states like mine believe matters anymore. It’s just what they have always voted and always will vote. Politics just lives almost in a different universe for these people. It’s so far removed sometimes it feels like a fantasy that doesn’t really change your daily life. There is just no way to have a productive conversation anymore. Terrible and makes me sad because I think if they really understood, they would switch their vote because they often are hurting themselves.
There is no shame anymore. Or maybe there is too much shame, and people repress thinking about it because it’s too painful.
We live in a democracy. We have a representative from of government. These elected officials represent us, they reflect our values. Yes, even if we did not vote for them. Your neighbors are not aliens or NPCs. They are your community.
I cannot contenence choosing to not vote and pretending you are not a part of it all. Long ago I came to terms that many of my neighbors wish I did not exist. I’m trans, and they wish I would stay inside a closet, a basement, or a grave. I take comfort that many others recognize my humanity and celebrate my achievements.
Our government reflects our values. If you don’t like that, then work to change it. Tea partiers did, and they shifted an entire party towards racism and authoritarianism. Maga fans a Qultists worked to make the country reflect their values and now Vannce has a chance to turn the white house into the Handmaid’s Tale.
If that happens then it’s our fault. I can’t pretend that people are not my neighbors just because they think I’m a groomer or a predator no matter how wrong they are. Neither can anyone else pretend that the electorate is not voting for dictatorship.
Hopefully I didn’t come across as advocating for not voting. I was just expressing my disappointment in how good people are unwilling to have hard conversations where opinions flow and change. 100% we need to vote and be the change we want to see. I just fear the changes will be slower than we want. The first step is keep tyrants away from the office then move forward.
Evangelicals sometimes believe that god picks Republican presidents and Satan will let Democrats win. There are others that believe in Dominionist Christianity feeling that those blessed by godjesus will be wealthy and given a position of power as gods will.
We have some sad, crazy mf’ers in this country along with some really dumb, gullible people.
I mean yes? Obviously not you but around half the people that vote somehow prefer Trump and Project 2025. And the people that don’t vote don’t care enough about it to get out of their homes and vote to keep democracy.
So yes, about 2/3 of your country seem to be ok with that scenario. Though I believe that you and many people like you don’t.
They’re a goddamn cult, man. We don’t even view them as American, just to be clear. They’re terrorists that want fascism. The level of hatred we have for trump is bad enough that we are praising the attempted assassination.
It is important to note that we don’t hate trump because he’s a Republican we hate him because of the horrible illegal immoral things he’s done to our country.
This is not about disagreements. Trump is a threat to America. That is not rhetoric. There is proof.
Pretty sure after 2016 nobody is assuming anything. Especially not when Harris is still behind Trump by 2 points. It would be insane to say “we’re behind 2 points but that’s within the margin of error, so good enough!”
I fully acknowledge I’m being optimistic about the blue wave, but I also believe and hope that the momentum is just starting to build and will reflect down ballot.
And yes, I will be voting and be sure to get everyone I know to vote as well.
Polls don’t mean anything if people don’t go out and vote, and tbh I don’t think Harris is leading in battle ground states enough to really say there might be a “blue wave”.
Dems and allies may be in for a shock if they think Harris is a confirmed winner, from what I can tell it’s close and may remain close. Literally every vote may count https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/07/25/trump-harris-swing-state-polls-harris-trails-trump-in-most-key-battlegrounds-but-outperforms-biden/
As a Non-American, the fact its a close race a fucking bonkers. You guys need to get your shit together.
If the election were by popular vote, as it should be, this wouldn’t be an issue at all and Trump would have lost the first time. Our shitty system gives the hateful assholes far more representation than they should have.
You’re right that he would’ve lost the first time, but it still would’ve been way closer to winning than is healthy. In a sane world, 20% of the popular vote for a racist, sexist, rapist, conman thief would’ve been concerning.
Even the popular vote gets fucked up thanks to the electoral college though. Blue voters in red states have little incentive to show up to the polls because of the EC.
Without it those voters would have more turn out.
I’m sure that’s true
So true. The radical extremist qons and/or people that live in less important areas have far more influence than they should have. If anything, people that live in places with more people should have more influence, not less.
It’s so hard, I live in a non-swing state that is very heavily republican. I have conversations with these people daily. They all want the same things as me, have families, great values, and are genuinely great people. But as soon as politics comes up they shut down. It’s only republican or nothing else. I don’t know if what a candidate in states like mine believe matters anymore. It’s just what they have always voted and always will vote. Politics just lives almost in a different universe for these people. It’s so far removed sometimes it feels like a fantasy that doesn’t really change your daily life. There is just no way to have a productive conversation anymore. Terrible and makes me sad because I think if they really understood, they would switch their vote because they often are hurting themselves.
There is no shame anymore. Or maybe there is too much shame, and people repress thinking about it because it’s too painful.
We live in a democracy. We have a representative from of government. These elected officials represent us, they reflect our values. Yes, even if we did not vote for them. Your neighbors are not aliens or NPCs. They are your community.
I cannot contenence choosing to not vote and pretending you are not a part of it all. Long ago I came to terms that many of my neighbors wish I did not exist. I’m trans, and they wish I would stay inside a closet, a basement, or a grave. I take comfort that many others recognize my humanity and celebrate my achievements.
Our government reflects our values. If you don’t like that, then work to change it. Tea partiers did, and they shifted an entire party towards racism and authoritarianism. Maga fans a Qultists worked to make the country reflect their values and now Vannce has a chance to turn the white house into the Handmaid’s Tale.
If that happens then it’s our fault. I can’t pretend that people are not my neighbors just because they think I’m a groomer or a predator no matter how wrong they are. Neither can anyone else pretend that the electorate is not voting for dictatorship.
Hopefully I didn’t come across as advocating for not voting. I was just expressing my disappointment in how good people are unwilling to have hard conversations where opinions flow and change. 100% we need to vote and be the change we want to see. I just fear the changes will be slower than we want. The first step is keep tyrants away from the office then move forward.
So many things working against normal Americans to rig things in favor of the crazies.
Evangelicals sometimes believe that god picks Republican presidents and Satan will let Democrats win. There are others that believe in Dominionist Christianity feeling that those blessed by godjesus will be wealthy and given a position of power as gods will. We have some sad, crazy mf’ers in this country along with some really dumb, gullible people.
What the fuck? You think we want it this close?
I mean yes? Obviously not you but around half the people that vote somehow prefer Trump and Project 2025. And the people that don’t vote don’t care enough about it to get out of their homes and vote to keep democracy.
So yes, about 2/3 of your country seem to be ok with that scenario. Though I believe that you and many people like you don’t.
They’re a goddamn cult, man. We don’t even view them as American, just to be clear. They’re terrorists that want fascism. The level of hatred we have for trump is bad enough that we are praising the attempted assassination.
It is important to note that we don’t hate trump because he’s a Republican we hate him because of the horrible illegal immoral things he’s done to our country.
This is not about disagreements. Trump is a threat to America. That is not rhetoric. There is proof.
Yeah, you’re right. I probably should’ve specified that for the outsiders.
As another Non-American I support this statement.
A third of americans actively avoid politics because its “too political” (too toxic)
Pretty sure after 2016 nobody is assuming anything. Especially not when Harris is still behind Trump by 2 points. It would be insane to say “we’re behind 2 points but that’s within the margin of error, so good enough!”
I fully acknowledge I’m being optimistic about the blue wave, but I also believe and hope that the momentum is just starting to build and will reflect down ballot.
And yes, I will be voting and be sure to get everyone I know to vote as well.