To win back support, the Democratic candidate must offer a positive and coherent vision centered on care and progressive policies, rather than relying solely on anti-Trump rhetoric.

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    When they go left, they lose.

    They don’t go left at all. You just blame the left when they go to the right like you want and it fails.

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      Let’s pull up the history, I have this saved because I have to go over it with people:

      Let’s run through the recent story.

      Bill Clinton: After successive losses Bill figured out “it’s the economy stupid”. And when you run against an incumbent (Bush senior) you run from the center. So that’s what he did. And he won.

      Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters!

      Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don’t stick your head out. He ran on vague “hope”, hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush’s disastrous wars. And he won.

      Hillary Clinton: After the population hopefully warmed up with Obama, she stuck her head out just a tiny itty little bit left on climate change (that thing all the leftists care about right?) with the Map Room. And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters!

      On to Biden. Just like Obama learned from Gore, Biden learned from Hillary that you don’t stick your head out left. And he was running against an incumbent, so once again when you do that you run center. He’s actually been governing more from the left, but he ran center.

      And people are amazed that they don’t run an big left platform? Every time they stick their head out a little itsy bitsy tiny bit left they lose. And the next guy learns to go to the center to win.

      Like I said.

      So how do you get them to move left? By giving them victories. Consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose, like they’ve lost 20 years out of the last 24 years, they will go to the center to find votes.

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        Blaming Hillary’s loss on one progressive idea instead of the millions of other reasons people had to not vote for her is just straight up head-in-the-sand insane.

        Al Gore got straight up robbed by the SC, but even ignoring that let’s not forget that was 24 years ago and climate action was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy less popular than it is now. Let’s also not forget he won the popular vote.

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        Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters!

        You’re gonna blame the left because the Supreme Court robbed us all. Of course, you’re gonna blame the left for any losses, no matter how much you have to lie about history to do so.

        Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don’t stick your head out. He ran on vague “hope”, hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush’s disastrous wars. And he won.

        Obama ran to Clinton’s left. He had specific policies regarding healthcare, Gitmo, the environment, Roe v Wade. Americans told Clinton to take a fucking hike and went with the guy to her left. Obama won despite the efforts of Centrists. Centrists were so upset that the party nominated someone to their left that they formed a PAC to elect McCain. They failed.

        Hillary Clinton: After the population hopefully warmed up with Obama, she stuck her head out just a tiny itty little bit left on climate change (that thing all the leftists care about right?) with the Map Room. And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters!

        Clinton did everything in her power to alienate the left. Holy shit, you’re saying Clinton lost because she wasn’t far enough to the right. She might not be far enough to the right for you, but I doubt anyone will ever be.

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          Gore: If the election wasn’t so close, then we wouldn’t have needed recounts huh? Thanks 3rd party voters!

          Obama: So you’re talking the primary? I’m talking the general. The message to the voters was very vague “hope” and relying on energy. And after Bush’s disastrous wars it didn’t take much to win against the GOP, people were sick of the lies.

          AND how long did Obama win? He won for years 1 and 2. Then for years 3 and 4 he lost the house of reps. Again for years 5 and 6 he lost the house of reps. And for years 7 and 8, he lost BOTH the house of reps and senate. That was his thanks for the ACA huh. Thanks voters that can’t be assed to show up for elections!

          Hilary: I’m saying she lost because the left didn’t show up to vote. Thanks no vote protesters! They thought it would move things left by not voting, but in reality the overton window went off the cliff to the right by letting Trump win. How’d that work out?

          So that’s why Biden ran on center. He learned from Hillary. And when running against an incumbent you run center.

          So back to my message. How do you get things to move left? You do that by giving Dems consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose, they go to the center to find voters.